League General Discussion Thread

[Pejon_88]

@trulpen @gamerman01 I suppose the most fair way to solve this when players disagree is to simply toss a coin between the versions? As long as there is more than one version played in the League throughout the season this is the most fair solution in my opinion.

[farmboy]

@Amon-Sul I think whoever does it first gets to bid first.

[majikforce]

@farmboy @Amon-Sul In my playoff experience I have always played that the higher seed starts the bidding. But I don’t know if that is official.

[Amon-Sul]

@gamerman01

maybe we should have a rule about that.

1. higher tier first
2. lower tier first
3. dice decide

[dawgoneit]

@Amon-Sul said in League General Discussion Thread:

higher tier first

being the lowest tier i believe the higher tier first

[dawgoneit]

@dawgoneit everyone starts high anyways. don’t they?

[gamerman01]

@farmboy said in League General Discussion Thread:

@Amon-Sul I think whoever does it first gets to bid first.

Oh yes, higher seed gets to bid first.

[gamerman01]

@Pejon_88 said in League General Discussion Thread:

@trulpen @gamerman01 I suppose the most fair way to solve this when players disagree is to simply toss a coin between the versions? As long as there is more than one version played in the League throughout the season this is the most fair solution in my opinion.

No, the league rules establish that the G40 2nd edition rules are the default. The default may only be modified by agreement of both players. So if players don’t agree, it has to be G40 2nd edition. See league rule #4

[simon33]

I agree about BM (BM4?) should be the default game for the 2021 league.

But I still think P2V should have its own rankings and playoffs. The differences are too much.

[gamerman01]

There are indeed many huge differences going to P2V. I’ll keep tracking P2V results so that they could be separated if need be, later in the year… Unfortunately it’s too hard to tell at this point whether they should be separated yet… Let’s see how many are finished in January or maybe even February and re-assess…

[gamerman01]

As for default game, I think it has to be the version that’s available to the world outside this site (out of the box version, basically) - we have very few players who refuse to play “balanced mod”, although of course it does happen, and I think it’s the way it should be… Makes more sense to force someone to play the “public” version than to force someone to play a mod, even if 95% of players only play that mod on this forum. It’s not welcoming to potential newcomers if they have to learn a different version of the game than they’ve been playing.

[dawgoneit]

@simon33 said in League General Discussion Thread:

I agree about BM (BM4?) should be the default game for the 2021 league.

But I still think P2V should have its own rankings and playoffs. The differences are too much.

i agree

[dawgoneit]

@gamerman01 said in League General Discussion Thread:

As for default game, I think it has to be the version that’s available to the world outside this site (out of the box version, basically) - we have very few players who refuse to play “balanced mod”, although of course it does happen, and I think it’s the way it should be… Makes more sense to force someone to play the “public” version than to force someone to play a mod, even if 95% of players only play that mod on this forum. It’s not welcoming to potential newcomers if they have to learn a different version of the game than they’ve been playing.

i agree

[simon33]

But how many players start playing the league expecting to get into the playoffs in the first year? I certainly didn’t, didn’t even enter my mind. I just wanted to play.

[AndrewAAGamer]

@gamerman01 said in League General Discussion Thread:

@farmboy said in League General Discussion Thread:

@Amon-Sul I think whoever does it first gets to bid first.

Oh yes, higher seed gets to bid first.

Just so I am clear higher seed means the higher number? So 7th seed versus 2nd seed the 7th seed would bid first. Correct?

[ksmckay]

no, other way around. higher seed means higher placed seed.

[ksmckay]

@gamerman01 said in League General Discussion Thread:

As for default game, I think it has to be the version that’s available to the world outside this site (out of the box version, basically) - we have very few players who refuse to play “balanced mod”, although of course it does happen, and I think it’s the way it should be… Makes more sense to force someone to play the “public” version than to force someone to play a mod, even if 95% of players only play that mod on this forum. It’s not welcoming to potential newcomers if they have to learn a different version of the game than they’ve been playing.

I completely disagree with this. All leagues of all kinds have their own rules. Playing in the league means you play by the league rules. As an example, you could say American football is a game with defined OOB rules. But every league out there has their own version of it. From kids to college to XFL to NFL. Rules arent defined by some accepted OOB format but by what the league decides.

The community that plays on this site is the league and is responsible for making rules that the league wants to play with. There is zero reason that has to be anything other than what the community wants. If someone wants to participate in the league, then they should be willing to adopt the rules of the league whether thats the actual rules of the game, definition of the league, bidding, disagreement handling, etc.

Most of the players in the top tier said they had no interest in playing OOB and would rather pass on the playoffs then be forced into playing it. To me that means there is a problem.

[AndrewAAGamer]

@ksmckay said in League General Discussion Thread:

no, other way around. higher seed means higher placed seed.

Okay - so the lower number and higher seed bids first. Thanks!

[trulpen]

@gamerman01 said in League General Discussion Thread:

As for default game, I think it has to be the version that’s available to the world outside this site (out of the box version, basically) - we have very few players who refuse to play “balanced mod”, although of course it does happen, and I think it’s the way it should be… Makes more sense to force someone to play the “public” version than to force someone to play a mod, even if 95% of players only play that mod on this forum. It’s not welcoming to potential newcomers if they have to learn a different version of the game than they’ve been playing.

Actually, I don’t agree.

The default should be what is prefered by the players active in the league. The definition of what is prefered would logically have to be based on ratios and a majority context.

Of course, if there were like 50:50 or even 60:40 between the versions, OOB could very well still be considered as the rational choice of default. When it is perhaps 98:2 it simply doesn’t make sense.

The league is for the players participating, not for a non-defined world community. A player that enters the league has some initial learning to do anyway and eventually trying out BM3 will most likely be benificial for the ongoing playing experience.

That’s how I started anyway. Checked out the league. Seemed fun, so enlisted. My first 2 or 3 games were OOB and I was pretty sceptical about BM3 at first, but tried it out. Wasn’t convinced immediately, but after a few games I would never go back.

I’ve seen the same progress for quite many players now. Among them my good friend @Pejon_88.

[Colt45554]

The BM advocates seem adamant that almost the entire League and certainly the top players prefer BM. Is it really such a big deal then if OOB is default? It’s not like the playoff top dogs would ever want to play OOB so I don’t see the issue.

I’m a low-tier new Leaguer but for the record I agree with Gamer.