@simon33 I had it in mind and your bid fitted well to it 😉
League General Discussion Thread
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Easy on the Veterans here @bretters.
I totally understand your point @dawgoneit and I think it will be considered since a lot of people here do still play OoB here. Maybe just not more frequently than the BM in League games these days.
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BM3 is good with me. didn’t mean to anger anyone. I do like that version also.
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Dawgs input is welcome as well. How the league determines playoffs should be a question that everyone who is playing in league can speak to, although I assume gamerman gets to make the final decision. In past years, multiple playoffs have been set up to include people below the top 8. The point is to find rules that are inclusive enough of the different preferences people have, so that people are not discouraged from participating.
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I played in the B-final last season and was tricked into playing OOBsolete. Never again.
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@trulpen hahaha… neither would i dude, neither would I!
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@dawgoneit because PTV is an elevated game, haha. Also… most people are still playing BM3 more than PTV.
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Hmm, perhaps P2V should have a separate league. I guess Gamerman01 wouldn’t really want to moderate two leagues though. I would consider doing it.
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Maybe it is self-explanatory, but isn’t really the main issue here that people tend to play different versions (OOB, BM3 and P2V) depending on what they prefer, which may then be a problem when deciding what to play, especially in the playoffs? The fact that there is more than one game to choose from is not in itself a problem, I don’t think.
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I am fairly sure you can play in the top 8 group and INSIST on playing OOB. Unless the rules has been changed recently… I am not saying you should, although i dont understand why you automatically should be disqualified because everyone wants to play BM and you dont.
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It could be relevant now to have 3 leagues OOB, BM3 and PtV
OOB and BM are becoming more and more different these days. When BM first came out bids of ~6 for axis were common. Now we are approaching 30 for allies…
I think i would prefer 3 leagues now
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@oysteilo said in League General Discussion Thread:
It could be relevant now to have 3 leagues OOB, BM3 and PtV
OOB and BM are becoming more and more different these days. When BM first came out bids of ~6 for axis were common. Now we are approaching 30 for allies…
I think i would prefer 3 leagues now
But as someone who plays multiple formats (BM3 AND PTV) I wouldn’t want it to be separated into separate leagues.
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@bretters said in League General Discussion Thread:
@oysteilo said in League General Discussion Thread:
It could be relevant now to have 3 leagues OOB, BM3 and PtV
OOB and BM are becoming more and more different these days. When BM first came out bids of ~6 for axis were common. Now we are approaching 30 for allies…
I think i would prefer 3 leagues now
But as someone who plays multiple formats (BM3 AND PTV) I wouldn’t want it to be separated into separate leagues.
And those who prefer OOB, they shouldnt have a playoff then???
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@oysteilo the 2 or 3 people who prefer bm3 can certainly have their own playoff…
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@oysteilo
Does anyone really only prefer to play OOB? -
sorry OOB
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BM3 is good with me
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I dont have the numbers on what people prefer. Personally i will try to do more OOB game because they are faster. I am tired of the 20 + rounds BM games that run into stalemate.
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@oysteilo won’t be playing against me for OOB, sorry.
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This issue popped up two years ago in the playoffs and was never properly addressed then unfortunately.
Last year there were about 20-25 games out of 375 that were played with OOB rules. Most of those games involved a small handful of players who clearly prefer OOB but were nowhere near the playoffs so it wasnt an issue last year.
This year There were 16 out of 350 or so games played with OOB rules with 11 of them played by one player and a few other random games. Thought this year is complicated because of the addition of P2V which actually represented quite a few games.
Just to put some numbers in. But for the most part I think this conversation was sidetracked.
In 2018 this issue came up in the middle of the playoffs. Thankfully it was avoided in main bracket in 2019 (though it came up in second bracket). Im trying to avoid dealing with this issue in 2020 as I know I wont be the only one who has an issue with this rule and so trying to start the conversation and deal with it before games are started. Its not a question of what the rules say, as that is clear, but the rules clearly (in my opinion of course) dont reflect the current league climate and opinions. I think the rules need to be adjusted for 2021 at minimum.
If the rest of the main bracket is fine with things as is, then all is well, if not then I think its worth discussing and dealing with ahead of time.
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I would agree that BM3/4 should be the standard for the playoffs for this year’s games.
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