@aequitas:
let me ask a question (if it hasn’t been asked already), which is:
Why were the death star plans held on a specially designated planet, like the archive planet? � Why do you need a special planet to hold such things? � Why aren’t the plans kept under lock and key in the dock yards where the thing was built? � Or in Palpatine’s safe? � What idiot would send them to the “archive planet?” �
I think that’s a pretty hokey piece of screenplay laziness. �
You may see it as a Back up Station or the fact that in the past, Rebells allready tried a couple of times to get their Hands on the blueprints of the DS.
The DS it self was infiltrated in aNH by an Assasin-Droid named IG 88B without Palpatine even knowing about it.
So far no Problem for a SW fan, since these kinds of Infos are in the Novels but I do see your Point.
Hope that helped.
Ok, I didn’t read the books so perhaps I am missing something.
But it seems like there are 2 options: 1, keep the plans locked up in the data “cloud,” which would mean they could be hacked by anyone from anywhere with access, or 2, they are in “hard” copy stored in a secure location. Why wouldn’t that location be at Curosant or some military base with maximum ability to resist instead of sitting in some far flung base, even if it was guarded?
Also, I guess I think the idea of getting “the plans” to the base being the surefire solution to defeating the threat is quite gimmicky. You can get the plans to something but still be unable to counter the threat. Having the plans to the MX missile may have been nice but not useful in countering it.
Finally, I have to point out that the whole “Dad built the Death Star” theme was illogical. Why would he still go forward to build the DS even if his daughter’s life was in danger if he knew there was a reasonable probability it would be used to destroy at least 1 planet full of millions and the only hope to stop it would be the unlikely chance the “plans” could be found, successfully stolen, correctly analyzed, and then used to defeat the DS. It wasn’t like sending a proton torpedo down the venting shaft was a surefire way of blowing the thing up. It was pretty hard and required the skill of a so-so Jedi. Why didn’t he just program a back door into the program running the DS and hand that off somehow?
I think the Disney screen writers are trying too hard to backfill a story that originally was not about the DS, how it was built, where the plans were, how they were stolen, and the DS’s design flaws.
I mean, how prescient Dad must have been to include a defense design flaw that was so obscure that it simultaneously escaped the defense review board and was yet extraordinarily, but not impossibly, hard to exploit! What a guy!
I was wondering if something like this would happen.
Hmmm… now I wonder if in fact they do make a digital version of the elderly Princess Leia just as they did with the young one.
Hmmm… now I wonder if in fact they do make a digital version of the elderly Princess Leia just as they did with the young one.
Obviously the technology already exists to do so (ie: see Peter Cushing).
The only question left would be legality/rights/desire/too-soon issues.
This is definitely a Paul Walker moment.
I was wondering if something like this would happen.
Hmmm… now I wonder if in fact they do make a digital version of the elderly Princess Leia just as they did with the young one.
well, no way they rewrite the Resistance leader General Solo out of the movies. Not that I really care, to be honest, Leia didnt add something essential to the plot, other than grief for Ben. But one parent is dead, I am sure they had plans, how else to keep up the “emotions”. Let Rey fall in love with Ben?
I finally saw Rogue One over the holidays, and I quite liked it. It certainly did have some problems – I’ll say more about those in a moment – but it more than held my attention for its entire length. I appreciated the fact that it’s set in the same era as the original trilogy, and that it involves what I call the “classic” Empire as opposed to the degenerating Republic of the prequel trilogy and the neo-Imperialistic context of the sequel trilogy. It also struck me as being a more adult movie than The Force Awakens, and indeed quite a dark, modern-style war film in many respects. I managed to avoid learning very much about the film before seeing it, so that I could watch it with as few preconceptions as possible, but I wasn’t suprised when the only “happy” part about the ending was that the Rebel Alliance (as we already knew decades ago from the opening scroll of Episode IV) sucessfully got its hands on the Death Star plans, an event that would eventually lead to the destruction of the Empire’s ultimate terror weapon. It was appropriate that this accomplishment would be purchased at a very high price.
That said, there were a few things about the movie that were problematic, though none of them got in the way of my enjoying the film. The storyline was somewhat clumsy, and I was perplexed by the lame “well, we might as well throw in the towel” reaction of the Rebel Alliance leadership when they learned about the Death Star. A few picky details annoyed me; for example, there was the fact that the Imperial Stardestroyers and the AT-AT walkers seemed much mure vulnerable to weapons fire in this film than we saw in the opening half-hour of The Empire Strikes Back. I also kept wondering why an Imperial pilot who had recently defected would have long and unkempt hair worthy of a rock musician; I had always assumed that TIE fighter pilot had neat crew-cuts under those helmets of theirs. Less annoyingly, because I found his dry humour appropriately calibrated (in contrast with Jar Jar’s annoying slapstick in the prequel trilogy), I got the impression halfway through the movie that the reprogrammed Imperial robot was more or less a cross between a Star Wars droid and Marvin the Paranoid Android from the old TV version of the Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy – the (depressed rather than paranoid) robot who keeps complaining with lines like “The first three billion years were the worst.”
All in all, though, a movie that I liked and that I’m planning to get for myself when it’s released on DVD – which is more than I can say about The Force Awakens, or the entire The Hobbit trilogy.
@CWO:
A few picky details annoyed me; for example, there was the fact that the Imperial Stardestroyers and the AT-AT walkers seemed much mure vulnerable to weapons fire in this film than we saw in the opening half-hour of The Empire Strikes Back. I also kept wondering why an Imperial pilot who had recently defected would have long and unkempt hair worthy of a rock musician; I had always assumed that TIE fighter pilot had neat crew-cuts under those helmets of theirs.
The Star Destroyers bit annoyed me slightly, because it did seem unusually easy for the Rebels to take a couple out, without showing the requisite punishment they would first need to absorb. You have to hammer the shields a good while before you can just take out the shield generators at the top. It was kinda cool how the Rebels actually made explicit use of ion cannons to disable one. The resulting push by the smaller Rebel ship was over the top though.
I believe the rationale for the AT-ATs was that they were not standard armored AT-ATs, but rather some larger, less combat capable version that was used for transport/construction. At least that is what I read somewhere, so take that for what it’s worth. I couldn’t understand why, but it looked like the sides were made of plywood.
I think the Imperial defector was some kind of shuttle or cargo pilot and not a tie fighter pilot. That would explain the image and nervous attitude. Not that Imperial Navy members should have long hair; no answer for that.
I found ion torpedoes an overpowered plot device; who needs to set up and power a huge KDY-150 Planet Defender Ion Cannon on Echo Base when you can have a few Y-wings take down a Star Destroyer? The easy answer is Kuat Drive Yards learned their lessons from this battle and increased the shield capacity of Star Destroyers and the armor plating on AT-ATs.
I did not care for the droid at all, and was glad he finally bit the dust.
The AT-AT’s on Scarif are AT-ACT’s (All Terrain-Armored Cargo Transport).
They were designed for armored Cargo and to defend them selfs .
HTH
I found ion torpedoes an overpowered plot device; who needs to set up and power a huge KDY-150 Planet Defender Ion Cannon on Echo Base when you can have a few Y-wings take down a Star Destroyer? The easy answer is Kuat Drive Yards learned their lessons from this battle and increased the shield capacity of Star Destroyers and the armor plating on AT-ATs.
I did not care for the droid at all, and was glad he finally bit the dust.
Hahaha! Amen and well said!
Geez guys whats with all the Android hate? I found him neither a great joy, nor annoying… just another character to me… and compared with the Jar Jars and Ewoks of past movies… really… REALLY, you found this droid annoying? I would think you would be jumping for joy we didn’t get more Ewoks or Jar Jar… what does it take to please you folks… an emo, all-black wearing droid saying “you don’t understand me” and killing himself 5 seconds into the movie? Man you guys are impossible to please… order up more Ewoks to give these guys something real to complain about.
Geez guys whats with all the Android hate? I found him neither a great joy, nor annoying… just another character to me… and compared with the Jar Jars and Ewoks of past movies… really… REALLY, you found this droid annoying? I would think you would be jumping for joy we didn’t get more Ewoks or Jar Jar… what does it take to please you folks… an emo, all-black wearing droid saying “you don’t understand me” and killing himself 5 seconds into the movie? Man you guys are impossible to please… order up more Ewoks to give these guys something real to complain about.
There was no android in the movie.
And what are you even talking about? Emo/goth, you don’t understand me, killed himself 5 seconds in… ?? If you are talking about K-whatever, then yeah, he is the one I didn’t like either. The character was fine, appropriate even, but the way they wrote him was so transparently as a comic sidekick and his lines were delivered at what felt like inappropriate times. Your characterization of him is exaggerated, especially in that he didn’t kill himself. He wasn’t ridiculous on the level of Ewoks and Jar Jar; he just wasn’t good and, in my opinion, was distracting.
There was no android in the movie.
Oh no, I added “An” to “droid”… these aren’t the droids you’re looking for… Its this mindset… some people will sit and nitpick every little thing till there is nothing left to enjoy.
Stop going to Star Wars movies, you will never enjoy any of them, you will always find something wrong to complain about.
Some people just can’t relax and enjoy a good movie without trying to pick it to pieces.
I dont mind the unkempt cargo shuttle pilot, but what really was striking was the apparent worthlessness of Imperial stormtrooper armour. Jeez, even a stick (wielded by a Force sensitive or not, if he was one) would penetrate and kill with every stroke. Or was it supposed to find the armour gap in every blow? Also blaster fire killed a trooper with every shot, while Rebels seemed to absorb much more. But well, not only KDY apparently had improvements to make.
Edit: AAAnd there is some love for the droid. I found his drier type of humor quiet nice, even if I know why he is there and how much they try to make SW humorous by all the droid stuff. This reprogrammed over C3PO any day :)
@alexgreat:
I dont mind the unkempt cargo shuttle pilot, but what really was striking was the apparent worthlessness of Imperial stormtrooper armour. Jeez, even a stick (wielded by a Force sensitive or not, if he was one) would penetrate and kill with every stroke. Or was it supposed to find the armour gap in every blow? Also blaster fire killed a trooper with every shot, while Rebels seemed to absorb much more. But well, not only KDY apparently had improvements to make.
This is actually a very old problem dating all the way back to the first movie. The stormtrooper armour looks fantastic (to the point where it’s become a pop culture icon), but its military practicality has been questioned on the grounds that: a) it makes the wearer highly visible, b) it restricts the wearer’s vision, and c) it appears to offer little or no protection against enemy weapons (ranging all the way from sophisticated blasters to primitive Ewok stone axes). As for the offensive effectiveness of Imperial stormtroopers, Ben Kenobi made a comment to Luke in the first movie about the precision and accuracy of their marksmanship – but in fact, a typical Star Wars battle scene (even a largely one-sided battle like the one in the Luke-and-Leia-swinging-over-the-bottomless-shaft scene in Episode IV) shows the stormtroopers as having a rather bad hit-to-miss ratio with their blasters. There’s even a name for this phenomenon: the Stormtrooper Effect (also known an the Inverse Ninja Law), which basically states that the firepower accuracy of stormtroopers in a given scene is inversely proportional to their numbers.
I don’t know if this has been commented on previously, but here’s something about Rogue One that didn’t consciously register with me when I saw it a week ago: the scene at the beginning in which we get our first glimpse of Director Krennic, who’s dressed in white and is surrounded by stormtroopers in black armour, is the reverse of the scene in Episode IV in which we get our first glimpse of Darth Vader, who’s dressed in black and is surrounded by stormtroopers in white armour. Does anyone know, by the way, if the stormtroopers in black have a special name or represent members of some kind of special unit?
Stop going to Star Wars movies, you will never enjoy any of them, you will always find something wrong to complain about.
Or go and see a decent movie! :-P
Oooh err! Have I just incurred the wrath of millions of Star Wars lovers? Â :|
@CWO:
I don’t know if this has been commented on previously, but here’s something about Rogue One that didn’t consciously register with me when I saw it a week ago: the scene at the beginning in which we get our first glimpse of Director Krennic, who’s dressed in white and is surrounded by stormtroopers in black armour, is the reverse of the scene in Episode IV in which we get our first glimpse of Darth Vader, who’s dressed in black and is surrounded by stormtroopers in white armour. Does anyone know, by the way, if the stormtroopers in black have a special name or represent members of some kind of special unit?
They are elite Stormtroopers called Death Troopers, acting also sometimes as guards for high ranked officers.
@aequitas:
They are elite Stormtroopers called Death Troopers, acting also sometimes as guards for high ranked officers.
Ah, okay – thanks. It’s good name for these fellows because they didn’t exactly look friendly. Definitely not guys from the Empire’s public relations department, if it has one.
Oh no, I added “An” to “droid”… these aren’t the droids you’re looking for… Its this mindset… some people will sit and nitpick every little thing till there is nothing left to enjoy.
It was a brief statement to correct your inaccuracy. It isn’t my fault that you aren’t consistent in your terms.
I agree, we are getting to a point of critical oversaturation. Everyone has an opinion and when everyone also has a social media voice, they all become critics. Over-analysis is prevalent, but this was not a case of that. Both I and General Veers said we didn’t like him, not that he ruined the movie.
If you liked the droid, that’s great for you. I didn’t say you should share my opinion.
Stop going to Star Wars movies, you will never enjoy any of them, you will always find something wrong to complain about.
Some people just can’t relax and enjoy a good movie without trying to pick it to pieces.
When something goes right, you don’t remark about it. It is expected; the default. When something is wrong and out of place, it is noticed and gets criticized. That’s just the way humans work. By your rationale I shouldn’t go to any movies since me disliking stuff is not limited to Star Wars.
