League General Discussion Thread

trulpen

@WindowWasher said in League General Discussion Thread:

@gamerman01, when rankings are adjusted after a game, does the winner’s rank change first or does the looser’s. Since the rankings depend on the current rank of your past opponents it could change some things.

Doesn’t matter. Points are adjusted automatically, and the small PPG-change will never be big enough to pose a problem.

gamerman01

You’re right, it could make a difference, but either way after I record the result all players’ point totals will correctly reflect all their past opponents’ current rankings. In other words, you can always recalculate any given player’s point total.

I constructed an illustration to show your point. If ksmckay had one more point (62 rather than 61), then a loss to an M would keep him as tier M but a loss to an E would drag him down to E. Axis-dominion has 102 points, and if he beats a tier M he would rise to M, but if he defeats an E he will still be E.

So what if Axis-Dominion beat ksmckay and ksmckay had 62 points rather than 61? If I record the winner result first, then both will end up with 5.5 PPG and bottom of tier M. If I record the loser result first, then ksmckay ends with 5.42 and Axis-dominion ends with 5.45. Axis-dominion is ranked slightly higher than ksmckay and both are tier E instead of M. However, either way, you can recalculate all players’ scores by adding up their points from wins and losses against all their past opponents and verify their total is accurate. This is the most important feature of the current ranking system, and whether I happen to calculate the winner or loser first does not affect this.

I suppose it’s possible that even the top 8 at the end of the season could possibly be affected by this, but it seems like the anomaly would be quite rare, and the PPG difference rather small. I’m not sure there would be any benefit from using a consistent methodology where I always calculate the winner first or the loser first. And I believe this very narrow situation would only occur when both players would simultaneously be in a different tier as a result of a single point up or down to both. But it is possible, as I illustrated above, although I had to add a point to ksmckay to make it happen. In other words, as it stands now, if Axis-dominion, through some miracle (I kid, I kid) beats ksmckay, Axis would be tier M and ksmckay would be tier E and have the same PPG whether I processed the winner first or the loser first.

So you get credit for finding a narrow mathematical wart in the current ranking system. Now go use those formidable analytical skills against A&A opponents and rack up some wins, instead of harassing your moderator :grin:

I’m just kidding, I enjoyed the exercise.

LennardF

TripleA asked me if I wanted to upgrade a day or two ago - has anybody upgraded in the past couple of days and confirmed that older games in progress are not affected?

farmboy

@LennardF I believe older games are affected, but you can save the new one to a different folder and so are able to use both.

trulpen

@LennardF said in League General Discussion Thread:

TripleA asked me if I wanted to upgrade a day or two ago - has anybody upgraded in the past couple of days and confirmed that older games in progress are not affected?

It’s not compatible, but you can have both versions installed at the same time. Start new games with the new, and finish old with the old.

LennardF

OK, thanks for the info.

Sovietishcat

@trulpen So if I go to the triplea-game.org to download the new version, it won’t delete the old version?

Panther

@Sovietishcat Please read this: https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/35438/triplea-2-x-new-stable-has-been-released to learn how they work side by side.

Sovietishcat

@Panther Thank you.

CaptainNapalm

Can the UK place a factory on Persia, the same turn they move into it?

Triple A allows it.

The rules state “Place any new facilities in an eligible territory you have controlled since the start of your turn.”

So, my opponent and I would like an official ruling.

Sovietishcat

@CaptainNapalm No, triplea allows it. It is an illegal move!

Sovietishcat

@CaptainNapalm But I am no official :blush:

simon33

Wow, no one has noticed that bug before. It isn’t even in the notes. I guess we all knew it was illegal and never attempted it.

CaptainNapalm

@simon33 I was shocked not to find it in the notes, as well!

CaptainNapalm

@simon33 Is this the place to get an official ruling, or is there such a thing? It is a league game.

simon33

We can @gamerman01 for an official ruling. Normally you’d probably post in the League Discussion Thread.

But is the other player really arguing this point? It’s clear in the rules.

CaptainNapalm

@simon33 He said he has done it before, so just wants an official ruling before changing his buy and/or placement.

Panther

I have moved the discussion to the League Thread. The OOB rules are chrystal clear, as pointed out.

Avner

Ok. Thanks

gamerman01

@CaptainNapalm said in League General Discussion Thread:

Can the UK place a factory on Persia, the same turn they move into it?

Triple A allows it.

The rules state “Place any new facilities in an eligible territory you have controlled since the start of your turn.”

So, my opponent and I would like an official ruling.

Right, it’s a tripleA bug. No power can ever build a facility in a territory that they did not control at the start of their turn.

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