League General Discussion Thread

gamerman01 · Feb 15, 2025, 11:16 PM

@simon33 can you do anything about the triple a programming for casualty choices? It would be a big improvement if the engine would, when enemy destroyers are present, roll the subs separately but NOT require a casualty choice before rolling all else.
Then let player choose the appropriate casualties, that is, a ship hit or sunk for each sub hit

It’s a problem

It seems like, with the other capabilities of tripleA, it’s probably not even difficult

What do you think? Thanks!!!

simon33 · Feb 19, 2025, 8:56 AM

@gamerman01 That is beyond my ability. Or at least not at all easy, and even if I could do it, there is no guarantee they would adopt it. A few years back there was a poll for what priorities there should be for engine changes and this was one of the options and I’m pretty sure I was the only one who voted for this change. Really annoyed me.

Gamerman01 - Edited out last sentence per Simon’s request

simon33 · Feb 15, 2025, 11:25 PM

Just so long as no one attacking asks for casualty selection when the subs have shot but the defender has a DD, it’s not too much of a problem. If the assumption is wrong, just use forum dice. I suppose if you’re attacking subs in a mixed fleet and as the attacker you have a DD can be an issue but usually not.

gamerman01 · Feb 15, 2025, 11:28 PM

Thanks!!!
Now kindly remind me in the future when I forget this helpful answer please
I have old dad brain

gamerman01 · Feb 15, 2025, 11:29 PM

Remind me in a kind way, when I forget and bring it up again, I mean

gamerman01 · Feb 15, 2025, 11:30 PM

@simon33 you’re right, I know
It’s a bit inconvenient but we have workarounds when necessary

simon33 · Feb 15, 2025, 11:30 PM

Maybe a note in the league rules for how to deal with this limitation, then I don’t think I would have to remind you.

Arthur Bomber Harris · Feb 15, 2025, 11:32 PM

@gamerman01 let me guess… you got badly diced again by a destroyer in your playoff game?

gamerman01 · Feb 19, 2025, 9:09 AM

@Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in League General Discussion Thread:

@gamerman01 let me guess… you got badly diced again by a destroyer in your playoff game?

No but I am getting diced so hard there
It hasn’t stopped. But Midway could make it all moot. Or make me give up A&A for a year. Both are possible

gamerman01 · Feb 19, 2025, 9:09 AM

@Arthur-Bomber-Harris

Update

Reverse Midway happened, so won’t be giving up A&A for a year at this time.

Lot of fighting to go, @pacifiersboard playing very tough, and a peek at his other first round game says he’s playing great there too

pacifiersboard · Feb 19, 2025, 9:29 AM

@gamerman01 said in League General Discussion Thread:

…

Reverse Midway happened, so won’t be giving up A&A for a year at this time.
…

🎉

barnee · Feb 19, 2025, 1:35 PM

@gamerman01 said in League General Discussion Thread:

t would be a big improvement if the engine would, when enemy destroyers are present, roll the subs separately but NOT require a casualty choice before rolling all else.
Then let player choose the appropriate casualties, that is, a ship hit or sunk for each sub hit

In case you’re not aware of it, you can fight battles in edit and pick casualties the way you would in person. Dice rolls still show up in History.

Idk if it’d help in this case or not but it’s a nice option to know about.

Stucifer · Feb 19, 2025, 5:20 PM

@gamerman01 When you edit the League Rules post can you maybe point out what you edited. I realize it may just be grammar or something, but I can’t tell what changes are made and it would be nice to know :)

gamerman01 · Feb 19, 2025, 6:27 PM

@Stucifer great idea, I’ll try to remember

It was the addition of naval combat in triplea that I will probably be editing again after checking barnee s point

gamerman01 · Feb 19, 2025, 8:03 PM

@barnee I really appreciate the new information

So I tried running a battle while in edit mode, and I noticed two things.

#1 It doesn’t auto-pick casualties for you and it also does not put a cap on (I could select 10 losses when there were only 9 hits) so that is perilous
#2 Triple A calls it “hits from first strike units” and that is the whole problem. Destroyers negate first strike capabilities of submarines.

Casualties are still demanded by Triple A prematurely, in edit mode also.

Again, thank you for the new information and new thing to try out, but we do still have the same problem.

barnee · Feb 19, 2025, 8:13 PM

@gamerman01

Right on. Wasn’t sure if it would or not. Triplea will give you the dice rolls and hits but you have to select the hits manually. You can select as many as there are units. All or none.

So, Idk if you can ignore early hits and add them at a later stage, if that would work or not for the issue.

At any rate, it requires one to be deliberate while using it :)

Stucifer · Feb 19, 2025, 9:40 PM

@barnee @gamerman01
I have used edit mode during a battle with subs before in a league game, if you are methodical, you select 0 casualties with the subs and then post the game save after the next dice rolls -

Then your opponent can see the dice in the game summary (and/or their MARTI email if they are so inclined), give OOL, and then you boot up the save and select the casualties and continue the battle.

If there’s a mistake at some point with casualty selection, if you’re posting the save file multiple times it should be “not-too-difficult”—albeit possibly annoying & frustrating—to go back to a specific round and redo the battle from there.

gamerman01 · Feb 19, 2025, 10:27 PM

@barnee said in League General Discussion Thread:

@gamerman01

Right on. Wasn’t sure if it would or not. Triplea will give you the dice rolls and hits but you have to select the hits manually. You can select as many as there are units. All or none.

So, Idk if you can ignore early hits and add them at a later stage, if that would work or not for the issue.

At any rate, it requires one to be deliberate while using it :)

Yeah, I didn’t really get my thought through on that post - it is indeed nice to know the edit mode will not auto pick and that you select them from zero (casualties)

To answer your question, the screen shot was in edit mode so you can’t ignore them. I failed to clearly communicate that shot was from edit mode

gamerman01 · Feb 19, 2025, 10:31 PM

Thanks for posting Stu, that is amazing

If I had my way I’d roll all battles that require more than one line (1’s, 2’s etc) on the forum because it’s how you play face to face. You see how many you hit from your 1s, then your 2s… and if you roll 50 then you see like 10 at a time…

Seeing all 25 of my fleet attack roll pop up in red and black all at once is pretty stressful

gamerman01 · Feb 19, 2025, 10:31 PM

So pay attention guys, Stucifers method may be one you prefer.

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