2017 League Post Game Results Here

@gamerman01 said in L25 Classic VictoryFirst (Axis+3) vs. The_Good_Captain (Allies):

@VictoryFirst said in L25 Classic VictoryFirst (Axis+3) vs. The_Good_Captain (Allies):

For the ratings of this year to make sense I think we should stick to the ruleset of the ongoing Classic tournament.

Of course I am very happy you guys are playing a regular season league game already. I didn’t post my default league Classic rules yet, but I will now, in the main post of the Classic league discussion thread.

Actually, I’ve put it in the overall 2025 league rules instead. Classic has made its entry to the League Rules, and so is very officially in the league.

Way to go @elche , you brought me back to the roots

@lebowsky said in Simon33 (Allies+10) vs Lebowsky (Axis) French Rebalance:

Im assuming the base game is BM4

Yes indeed. Is that the only thing you were asking?

One thing I was wondering last night is when you step on Normandy, can you use the IC in the same turn? Probably yes but I don’t really think you should be able to.

Ok, no problem. Used to send the file because you can see every move and purchase better.

Will do next time

TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 3

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 3 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 1 carrier, 1 fighter, 1 infantry, 2 submarines and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Politics - Americans Americans takes Political Action: Political Action Americans To War With Germans Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Americans To War With Germans: Changing Relationship for Germans and Americans from Neutrality to War Americans takes Political Action: Political Action Americans To War With Italians Americans succeeds on action: Political Action Americans To War With Italians: Changing Relationship for Italians and Americans from Neutrality to War Trigger Americans War Production Eastern: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Eastern United States Trigger Americans War Production Central: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Central United States Trigger Americans War Production Western: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Americans in Western United States Trigger Americans War Production Eastern: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Eastern United States Trigger Americans War Production Central: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Central United States Trigger Americans War Production Western: Americans has 1 factory_major placed in Western United States Combat Move - Americans Trigger Americans Unrestricted Movement: Setting movementRestrictionTerritories cleared for rulesAttachment attached to Americans 1 marine moved from Eastern United States to 104 Sea Zone 1 battleship and 1 marine moved from 104 Sea Zone to 89 Sea Zone 1 marine moved from 89 Sea Zone to French West Africa Combat - Americans Battle in French West Africa Non Combat Move - Americans 1 marine moved from Hawaiian Islands to 27 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 27 Sea Zone 1 artillery, 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 3 infantry, 1 marine, 1 submarine and 2 transports moved from 27 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone 2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 2 marines moved from 55 Sea Zone to Queensland 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Hawaiian Islands to Queensland 1 bomber moved from Western United States to Queensland 1 marine moved from Central United States to 104 Sea Zone 1 cruiser and 1 marine moved from 104 Sea Zone to 88 Sea Zone 1 marine moved from 88 Sea Zone to Brazil Americans take Brazil from Neutral_Allies 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 104 Sea Zone to 89 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from 104 Sea Zone to 89 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to 89 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to Iceland 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Eastern United States to Central United States 2 aaGuns moved from Eastern United States to Central United States Place Units - Americans 2 transports placed in 104 Sea Zone 1 carrier placed in 104 Sea Zone 1 fighter placed in Eastern United States 1 infantry placed in Central United States 2 submarines placed in 11 Sea Zone Turn Complete - Americans Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 1 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 84 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,2 Americans collect 52 PUs (1 lost to blockades); end with 52 PUs Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 62 PUs Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 67 PUs Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUs Purchase Units - Chinese Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed Chinese buy 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Chinese 10 infantry moved from Honan to Anhwe 4 infantry moved from Shansi to Anhwe 3 infantry moved from Chahar to Jehol 1 fighter moved from Inner Mongolia to Jehol Combat - Chinese Battle in Anhwe Chinese attack with 14 infantry Japanese defend with 1 infantry Chinese roll dice for 14 infantry in Anhwe, round 2 : 2/14 hits, 2.33 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Anhwe, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Anhwe Chinese win, taking Anhwe from Japanese with 14 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Battle in Jehol Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 3 infantry Japanese defend with 1 infantry Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 3 infantry in Jehol, round 2 : 0/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Jehol, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Jehol Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Jehol, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Jehol, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Jehol Chinese win, taking Jehol from Japanese with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Chinese: 1 infantry Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Chinese 2 infantry moved from Chahar to Shansi 1 fighter moved from Jehol to Shansi Place Units - Chinese 4 infantry placed in Anhwe Turn Complete - Chinese Chinese collect 11 PUs; end with 11 PUs Purchase Units - British British buy 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 3 PUs; Purchase Units - UK_Pacific UK_Pacific buy 4 artilleries and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - British 2 infantry moved from Southern Persia to Iraq 2 infantry moved from Eastern India to 40 Sea Zone 1 battleship, 1 cruiser, 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 40 Sea Zone to 82 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 82 Sea Zone to Iraq 1 transport moved from 74 Sea Zone to 73 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 marine moved from Union of South Africa to 73 Sea Zone 1 infantry, 1 marine and 1 transport moved from 73 Sea Zone to 74 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 marine moved from 74 Sea Zone to French Madagascar 1 armour moved from Kenya to Ethiopia British take Ethiopia from Italians 1 armour moved from Ethiopia to Italian Somaliland British take Italian Somaliland from Italians 1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 126 Sea Zone to 128 Sea Zone 1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Iceland to 126 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 126 Sea Zone to 128 Sea Zone 1 armour and 1 infantry moved from 128 Sea Zone to Norway 1 bomber, 5 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from United Kingdom to Norway 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern India to Iraq Combat - British Germans scrambles 1 units out of 115 Sea Zone to defend against the attack in Norway Battle in French Madagascar Battle in 128 Sea Zone British attack with 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 transport Germans defend with 1 submarine British roll dice for 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 128 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 128 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits British roll dice for 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 transport in 128 Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in 128 Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in 128 Sea Zone British win, taking French Madagascar from Neutral_Axis, taking 128 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Battle in Norway British attack with 1 armour, 1 bomber, 5 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers Germans defend with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 5 infantry British roll dice for 1 armour, 1 bomber, 5 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers in Norway, round 2 : 5/10 hits, 5.00 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 5 infantry in Norway, round 2 : 3/7 hits, 2.67 expected hits 1 fighter owned by the British, 1 infantry owned by the British and 1 armour owned by the British lost in Norway 5 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Norway British roll dice for 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in Norway, round 3 : 1/7 hits, 3.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 fighter in Norway, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits 1 artillery owned by the Germans lost in Norway British roll dice for 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers in Norway, round 4 : 5/7 hits, 3.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 fighter in Norway, round 4 : 0/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 fighter owned by the Germans lost in Norway British win with 1 bomber, 4 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 10 Casualties for British: 1 armour, 1 fighter and 1 infantry Casualties for Germans: 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 5 infantry Battle in Iraq British attack with 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber Neutral_Axis defend with 3 infantry British roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 cruiser in Iraq, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits British roll dice for 4 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Iraq, round 2 : 0/5 hits, 1.17 expected hits Neutral_Axis roll dice for 3 infantry in Iraq, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Iraq 2 infantry owned by the Neutral_Axis lost in Iraq British roll dice for 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Iraq, round 3 : 1/4 hits, 1.00 expected hits Neutral_Axis roll dice for 1 infantry in Iraq, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Axis lost in Iraq British win, taking Iraq from Neutral_Axis with 3 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for British: 1 infantry Casualties for Neutral_Axis: 3 infantry Non Combat Move - British 1 infantry moved from Anglo-Egyptian Sudan to Ethiopia 1 infantry moved from Belgian Congo to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan 1 aaGun moved from Anglo-Egyptian Sudan to Kenya 1 infantry moved from Belgian Congo to Kenya 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Belgian Congo to 82 Sea Zone 1 tactical_bomber moved from Iraq to Southern Persia 1 infantry moved from Southern Persia to Iraq 1 carrier moved from 81 Sea Zone to 82 Sea Zone 1 cruiser moved from 74 Sea Zone to 73 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to Rhodesia 1 fighter moved from Belgian Congo to Kenya 3 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 14 infantry moved from Burma to Eastern India 1 destroyer moved from 81 Sea Zone to 74 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 40 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 40 Sea Zone to 82 Sea Zone 4 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Norway to Finland 1 bomber moved from Norway to United Kingdom 1 mech_infantry moved from Kenya to Belgian Congo 1 destroyer moved from 82 Sea Zone to 78 Sea Zone Place Units - British 1 destroyer placed in 73 Sea Zone 2 infantry placed in Union of South Africa 1 transport placed in 109 Sea Zone 1 fighter placed in United Kingdom Turn Complete - British Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 84 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,6 British collect 31 PUs; end with 34 PUs Place Units - UK_Pacific 4 artilleries and 1 infantry placed in Eastern India Turn Complete - UK_Pacific UK_Pacific collect 7 PUs; end with 7 PUs Trigger UK Pacific 4 No Enemy Submarines: UK_Pacific met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 10 PUs Some Units in Eastern India change ownership: 4 artilleries and 1 infantry

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : -1.17 Japanese regular : 0.00 Germans regular : -1.67 Neutral_Axis regular : -0.33 British regular : -2.67

Savegame

I matched the dice in my dice email to the game but still better if you check too.

@GeneralDisarray Think this got lost in your notifications

Someone liked a post (not this one) on a 12 year old Sealion thread (shortly after the rules had been firmed up from the Alphas), and I bumped into this nearby post

Apparently I forgot the lessons I had learned. It’s long, but thought you would enjoy:

I wrote this in 2013:

I have never lost as Allies when G attempts Sea Lion
We are getting to the point where we invite a Sea Lion attempt
If you don’t pressure Russia, Russia will kick your butt.  Especially now with the 3 IPC NO per territory, which was another change as of Alpha2/3 somewhere in there.

Dog pile Russia.  If the Allies don’t lose, they win.  If the Allies don’t lose Russia, they will almost always win.  There are exceptions, of course.

To answer the question of the thread “Sea Lion worth it?” I would say, yes, when UK has a lot of money to plunder and you can take it fairly cheaply (without losing your entire fleet to Allied strike after taking) and/or you can take it and hold it at least for awhile.

I would not attempt Sea Lion with less than about 80-90% odds and also a very high chance of losing only a couple of aircraft.  If you’re looking at a 60% chance of taking London with 1 tank and losing most or all of the Luftwaffe - no way.
You don’t win G40 2nd edition just because you successfully took London.
Again, I have never lost after losing London.  It’s best to go full bore after Russia, because Moscow is the biggest threat to the Axis win.

Show me a game where the Axis win after taking London first (in the first 5 or so rounds) and I will show you an Allied player who didn’t do his job, or got horribly diced, or both.  A good Russian player will be licking his chops when he sees the Germans attack London, and should absolutely mop up (assuming London is reasonably defended and G loses most ground units and several air craft, which they almost always will)

New rules that make Sea Lion less rewarding since OOB, Alpha1 version -
Russia AND USA immediately enter the war if London falls
No more NO for London for Germany
AAs can be taken as casualties and UK gets 5
Transport in 113 moved out of range to 114
UK can scramble 3 aircraft from Scotland and UK (for those who don’t remember, weren’t aware, you could not scramble from the UK or Scotland at all, OOB)
Russia gets 3 IPC NO for every single original Axis, pro-Axis Europe/Africa territory (this is a pretty serious deterrent)