G40 Balance Mod - Feedback Thread

Hi there, I’ve got two questions about G40 BM3 and GO40 BM4:

• Is the only difference between both modes the IPC costs for the strategic bomber?
• I read that the average bid in BM3 was about 10IPCs for the allies (please correct me if I’m wrong). Is the average bid in BM4 0IPC now?

Thank you!

@fasthard said in G40 Balance Mod - Feedback Thread:

Hi there, I’ve got two questions about G40 BM3 and GO40 BM4:

• Is the only difference between both modes the IPC costs for the strategic bomber?
• I read that the average bid in BM3 was about 10IPCs for the allies (please correct me if I’m wrong). Is the average bid in BM4 0IPC now?

Thank you!

(a) yes
(b) Bids went up and up. Early on Axis were getting bids. BM3 vs BM4 has had basically no effect on bids. Typical bid is now around 15 but a semi final game has 22.

I’d say the normal bid nowadays is about 20 for Allies.

Thanks @simon33 , @trulpen. So the average bid stays the same in BM4? I thought the European Axis is mostly affected to this change, isn’t it?

The effect is so slight that it isn’t really noticed.

@fasthard said in G40 Balance Mod - Feedback Thread:

Thanks @simon33 , @trulpen. So the average bid stays the same in BM4? I thought the European Axis is mostly affected to this change, isn’t it?

Perhaps early on if you consider Black Skies being less viable, but it also affects especially US to not as easily spam bombers.

It’s actually not a small change. Bombers are still built, but to a far lesser extent than when they cost 12.

I’m curious about that the troops in S Fr are disbanded and not converted when Axis ends the Armistice by entering the territory, while they are converted in other territories during NCM (Axis keeps those).

I believe the rules/notes has to be clear about this regarding the Zone Libre.

As the wording is now it only states that the fleet at Toulon is disbanded. The land units in S Fr are not mentioned to be disbanded before the end of the Axis turn, but obviously should since they are (or change the mechanics of 3A so they stay as converts).

Hi there, I’ve got another question: What happens to an uk pacific unit if it enters French Indo China when the Japanese enter it (1) with declaring war to UK Pacific and (2) without declaring war to UK Pacific? Thx

@fasthard said in G40 Balance Mod - Feedback Thread:

Hi there, I’ve got another question: What happens to an uk pacific unit if it enters French Indo China when the Japanese enter it (1) with declaring war to UK Pacific and (2) without declaring war to UK Pacific? Thx

If UK_Pac have a unit in FIC Japan can’t enter it without declaring war on UK.

If Japan declares war, the usual rules apply.

Hi there,

I’ve got another question. Following situation:
Russia is at war with Germany, but not with Japan.
UK Pacific is at war with Japan.
Japan attacks Burma with Russian units in it without declaring war to Russia.
Do the Russian units support defending the territory?
If not, what happens to the Russian units, when Japan occupies Burma?
(I now it’s not a special BM question, but due to the 2/4IPC Land lease NO I post it here.)

Thanks is advanced!

@fasthard if Russia is not at war with Japan, Russia can not move into Chinese territory to Support them.
RUSSIA MUST dow on Japan first to do so.

@aequitas-et-veritas Chinese territory is clear, but what about UK territories like Burma, India, etc?

If Russia is not at war with Japan then my understanding is that those units wouldn’t participate in any combat, it would just be the Japanese units attacking the UK Pacific ones. But looking in Powers Not at War with One Another of the A&A manual it states:

A power can’t attack a territory controlled by or containing units belonging to a power with which it is not at war.

Which would suggest that Japan can’t attack a UK Pacific territory which contains Russian units without first going to war with Russia.

The rules say this:

“Due to its separate treaties with Germany and Japan, the Soviet Union is in a unique position in its relationship with the Axis powers. As a result, if the Soviet Union is at war with Axis powers on only one map, it is still under the restrictions of being a neutral power (see “Powers Not at War with One Another,” page 15) on the other map. In other words, a state of war with Japan lifts those restrictions from the Soviet Union on the Pacific map only, and a state of war with Germany and/or Italy lifts those restrictions on the Europe map only.” (this is from page 36 of the Europe rule book)

If you go to page 15 it restricts the movement of neutral powers so that they cannot enter the territory of other powers (friendly or otherwise) until they are at war.

So soviet units must stay inside the Soviet Union on the pacific map (which includes Burma and India) until they are at war with Japan.

I’m fairly certain that this was not changed for BM, but others can confirm.

@farmboy said in G40 Balance Mod - Feedback Thread:

The rules say this:

“Due to its separate treaties with Germany and Japan, the Soviet Union is in a unique position in its relationship with the Axis powers. As a result, if the Soviet Union is at war with Axis powers on only one map, it is still under the restrictions of being a neutral power (see “Powers Not at War with One Another,” page 15) on the other map. In other words, a state of war with Japan lifts those restrictions from the Soviet Union on the Pacific map only, and a state of war with Germany and/or Italy lifts those restrictions on the Europe map only.” (this is from page 36 of the Europe rule book)

If you go to page 15 it restricts the movement of neutral powers so that they cannot enter the territory of other powers (friendly or otherwise) until they are at war.

So soviet units must stay inside the Soviet Union on the pacific map (which includes Burma and India) until they are at war with Japan.

I’m fairly certain that this was not changed for BM, but others can confirm.

Precisely, same in BM.

Thx a lot for your answers.
So Russian units can also not support the UK and will be ignored in the UK Europe territory (e.g. Persia) if Japan attacks the Brits there? Will the Soviets stay there when JPN occupies Persia (Japan is not at war with Soviet Union)?

Found s.th. here, is this answer correct?
"however, the russians can be at war with germany, and take iran, and the japanese cant hit it without declaring war on ussr.

or UK can take iran, and ussr can put units there, and japan cant hit it without war

or ussr can take iran, and uk can put units there, and japan cant hit it without declaring on the british."

https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/19698/could-japan-destroy-russian-units-without-a-dow/3?_=1684745344877

Any advices?

@fasthard said in G40 Balance Mod - Feedback Thread:

Thx a lot for your answers.
So Russian units can also not support the UK and will be ignored in the UK Europe territory (e.g. Persia) if Japan attacks the Brits there? Will the Soviets stay there when JPN occupies Persia (Japan is not at war with Soviet Union)?

Found s.th. here, is this answer correct?
"however, the russians can be at war with germany, and take iran, and the japanese cant hit it without declaring war on ussr.

or UK can take iran, and ussr can put units there, and japan cant hit it without war

or ussr can take iran, and uk can put units there, and japan cant hit it without declaring on the british."

https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/19698/could-japan-destroy-russian-units-without-a-dow/3?_=1684745344877

Not sure I completely understand but if there are Soviet units in Persia when anyone attacks, they must first DOW on USSR. If they do not DOW they cannot attack. This is in the rules somewhere. It is different at sea though.

USSR also need to be at war in Europe to move into Persia.

Do you still have questions?

@simon33 Thx for your answer. Just wanted to make sure that Japan can’t attack there without DOW on the soviets.