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@panther said in A question about capital taking.:

@leebear Welcome to the forum :slightly_smiling_face:

@leebear said in A question about capital taking.:

If, for example I was playing as Russia and I lost my capital to Germany, I would hand all my IPC’s to Germany and be unable to receive income or build any troops until my capital was liberated.

That is correct.

@leebear said in A question about capital taking.:

If during this time I then somehow managed to use my remaining Russian troops to conquer Berlin (lets assume Germany had bled itself dry taking Moscow) then Germany would have to hand me its IPC’s, which I could not spend? Is that right?

Yes, you are correct, see the rulebook, page 18:

“… For example, if Germany captures Moscow while the Soviet Union’s player is holding 6 IPCs, those IPCs are immediately transferred to Germany’s player. You collect these IPCs even if your own capital is in enemy hands.”

Thanks for the response. I guess they are handy to get you started again if your own capital is liberated.

@RYNO87 good day.
The attacking Sub can’t attack the defending Sub, if the defender decides to submerge. It is safe and alive.
Only a Destroyer prevents this.

@shake118118 said in Battleships attacking subs?:

Can battleships attack/defend against subs? My understanding is that subs and destroyers can. If not, can you just bring one sub against a fleet of battleships and continue to roll till you knock out all battleships? Seems wrong. Thanks.

Welcome to the forum @shake118118 . I think Panther may already answered you with his “Yes”, but to expand on that any naval unit can attack/defend against subs. If a sub submerges, which it can do if there is no enemy destroyer present, then that sub is not involved in the battle, so no attack/defend against that sub is relevant. If the sub does not submerge and so is part of a battle then it can be hit by any naval unit.

The exception is planes, which cannot hit a sub unless they are accompanied by a destroyer.

I hope that is clear.

Of course, building a Soviet Fleet in-general (even if you could send it out into the world’s oceans) is usually about 99.8% useless.

If you’re dead-set determined to build a great Soviet Navy to rule the waves and invade Japan with, there’s really only about two choices you have.
A) Capture Berlin, build fleet there, be the envy of the Allied Navies
B) House-rule in that you can build Industrial Complexes in 1941… Charge 15 IPCs and place a complex on the board so you can build a navy or whatever else (I know 1941 doesn’t come with them, you can literally use anything to denote an Industrial Complex, from an A&A complex used from a different version of A&A to Monopoly Hotels or even a Penny, it doesn’t matter, as long as everyone agrees what you’re using for Industrial Complexes).

Thanks for the design clarification… appreciate the thoughts during design… I know in the game design business you will always be second guessed, and i’d be happy to toss in a “what about just a simple rule like subs can’t stop passage of units unless its unescorted transports…”  even if it’s just “one warship” which is the same rule you DID put in place for amphibious operations.  Oh well, i’m sure they won’t be putting out an A&A Third Edition rules, Wolfshanze-style!  lolz.  Oh well, that’s what house rules are for.

Thanks again for a great game… I know I might sound a little grumpy, but I always have loved A&A since 1984 when I first started playing, and I really can’t wait to introduce the game to my kids and get back into it again… in the end, my concerns in this thread are minor in the overall picture, and I know i’ll love it now like I did 30 years ago… fingers crossed my kids will feel the same!

Thanks for the responses guys.  NIce to know the pieces are interchangable between games.  I have played another game since and we all seemed to make lots of mistakes.  An experienced player would smash a new person at this game.

smanifesto I will probably do exactly as you have done and get a pieces from other games.  It was getting frustrating having to constantly look for new units and swap chips around.  I’m also with you on customizing the game a bit.  We already have a house rule that battleships have to return to a factory to be repaired at the start of your next turn when damaged.

@Krieghund:

There is no battleship bombardment in this game, so sea units can never attack land units.

Yeah, my mistake. I sometimes just jump in and start reading random forums. I forgot which one I was in.

@UtahJazzfan8:

Weather sucks here also. It’s been windy and rainy… probably in the mid 30s right now!!!  :-P

Thanks for the tips. I’m hoping to start my first game of A&A tomorrow after work.

2 feet of snow just dropped in a few hours here lol :P.

I wish you luck, I’m sure you’ll have fun.