Battleships attacking subs?

@Panther great! Thanks for clarifying!

@RYNO87 Yes it does. They fire at the same time (rulebook pages 15/16):

“Attacking and defending units in each space are considered to fire at the same time, but for ease of play you roll dice in
sequence: attacker first, then defender.”

“Surprise Strike: Each attacking submarine conducting a Surprise Strike rolls one die, scoring a hit on a roll of “2” or less.
After the attacker has rolled for all attacking submarines, the defender chooses one sea unit for each hit scored and moves it behind the casualty strip. (Submarines cannot hit air units.) Then each defending submarine conducting a Surprise Strike rolls one die, scoring a hit on a roll of “1.” After the defender has rolled for all defending submarines, the attacker chooses one sea unit for each hit scored and removes it from play.” …

@Private-Panic said in Attacking multiple territories in one combat move?:

Also subs not involved in combat can move into hostile sea zones in which there is no enemy destroyer present.

A small correction: Subs can even move into seazones containing an enemy destroyer:
Rulebook, 1941, page 20:

Submarines: Unlike other sea units, submarines can move through and even into hostile sea zones during this phase.
However, a submarine must end its movement when it enters a sea zone containing one or more enemy destroyers.

@jwarf Welcome to the forum :slightly_smiling_face:

I think two subs to 14 is definitely the way to go. Sink a carrier and not have to fight the fighter!

I also think Africa is not worth the effort for Germany, so its worth dumping a unit in Gibraltar is worth taking away a UK fighter. Even though it’ll cost you the transport, if you’re not going to go for Africa, its an acceptable loss. (I even sometimes tank the armor from Africa and put it in Gibraltar. Sure I’m stranding a tank instead of any infantry, but its a tank that won’t to any more than have a 50-50 chance of knocking out an allied infantry when it is attacked, so I might as well waste the tank instead of an infantry from Europe.)

If your strategy involves pushing Africa or the Middle East with Germany, I still think its worth going after that carrier, but better to save your transport and let that UK fighter live to fight another day.

A&A 1941 is a 2 to 5 player game… no matter how many players you have, there are always two teams/sides… Axis… and Allies (hence the name)…

The game is won when one team or the other reaches its victory conditions… like taking the enemy team’s capitals (say the Allies win if they take Berlin and Tokyo).

By the rules of the game, its team vs team… there is no backstabbing your allies by the rules. Of course in your own home you can modify the standard rules all you want if everyone at the table agrees, but since you’re asking a straight up question on an A&A forum… no… it’s not a free for all, there is no double-dealing across team lines… either the Allies win or the Axis wins. Victory conditions are stated in the rules, but by the rules, there is no backstabbing or “free for all”.

Hi Grumphry.
No. If a Sub’s target survives, it can always retaliate.
Submerging is instead of attacking or defending. A Sub cannot attack and submerge in he same round.
It is always worth attacking a lone Carrier with Fighters on board, if the Fighters do not have a safe place to land, as they will go down with the Carrier. The lesson is: always keep a Destroyer with your fleet, if the enemy has a Sub in range.

Glad to have helped. Hope you love the game as much as I do …. :-D

@Chiclet:

How does it make logical sense that a transport may pass through a seazone by itself unharmed with an enemy sub in that seazone, but that transport cannot ignore a sub when attempting to do an amphib assault by itself?? to me it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense

I don’t know what the exact reasoning behind the rule itself is, but in terms of the real world it does make a certain mount of logical sense.  When a transport ship is travelling across the ocean, in potentially hostile waters, it’s trying as much as possible to avoid being found by an enemy sub.  It keeps radio silence, it maintains a blackout a night, and it makes frequent course changes.  It also helps that it has a whole ocean to lose itself in, though of course this factor is partially neutralized by the fact that the further a ship strays from the known shipping lanes the longer it takes to reach its destination.  By contrast, an amphibious landing – by its very nature – involves attacking a fixed point (whose location immediately becomes known to the enemy when the attacking ships show up and open fire) and maintaining a relatively static position off the shore of that point, which makes it easy for any enemy subs in the area to converge on that position.