I mean according to the battle of Castle Itter, there was a SS officer that helped the allies out.
What WW2 movie would you like to see made?
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I would like to see a movie about Erich Hartmann. Hartmann was the highest scoring fighter ace in history, with 352 victories. The highest-scoring non-German ace of all time is Ilmari Juutilainen of Finland, who had 94 victories.
Hartmann said that he was more proud of the fact he’d never lost a wingman in combat than he was of his (very high) number of enemy planes shot down. He wrote to his fiancee every day of the war. He was never shot down by an enemy plane. But there were times when he was forced to crash land, due to flying into the debris of enemy aircraft he’d just shot down. On one of those occasions he landed behind enemy (Soviet) lines. The Soviets captured him. Upon being captured he very convincingly faked an injury. The Soviets left him lightly guarded. When the one man guarding him became distracted by a German attack, Hartmann overpowered the guard, and quickly fled his Soviet captors. Bullets whizzed past him as the soldiers attempted to recapture him. He safely made it back to German lines.
Near the very end of the war he was ordered to surrender to the British, while the rest of his unit would surrender to the Soviets. He’d never disobeyed an order–except for that one order only. He felt it would be bad character to abandon his men to Soviet captivity (a very strong likelihood of death) while he himself enjoyed the comparative safety of British captivity. He remained with his unit, with himself and the rest of the unit eventually surrendering to the Americans.
However, at Yalta FDR had agreed that any German servicemen who’d engaged primarily in fighting against the Soviet Union would be handed over to that nation; regardless of who they’d actually surrendered to. As a result of which, Hartmann and the rest of his unit were handed over to the Soviets. Hartmann spent years in Soviet captivity, during which the Soviets used torture and threats to attempt to get Hartmann to turn traitor to West Germany. Hartmann steadfastly refused, at one point physically attacking his Soviet interrogator. Fortunately, Hartmann’s celebrity status prevented him from joining the many, many German servicemen who’d died in Soviet gulags due to hunger, overwork, cold, and disease.
In the 1950s, large numbers of German servicemen were liberated from Soviet captivity due to a trade deal between West Germany and the U.S.S.R. Hartmann was among them. He rejoined his wife, and learned that his son had died while he was away. Hartmann then put his energies into building up the West German air force. Due to political corruption and bribery, some of the aircraft used by the West German air force were unsafe, leading to the deaths of West German pilots. Hartmann took a stand against that corruption. He was punished for this good behavior, and forced into an early retirement.
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It would not sell because his adversary’s were 99% Soviets. Adolf Galland might be a better choice ( 100+ western allied planes shot down, Soviets had not many good pilots or had inferior planes).
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One of the hard sells in doing anything with WW2 is that the pull is to make everyone who was in the German military evil. While there is no dispute about the atrocities the Germans committed in the war, people like to make them cartoon evil at times (twirling mustaches and tying maidens to railroad tracks kind of thing). The worst WW2 movie of all time “Swing Kids”, said that Nazis hated dancing. It was kind of like “Footloose” but in Nazi Germany. Hate dancing eh? I bet they killed kittens and declared war on rainbows too!
At any rate in order to make a German soldier anything other than a mustache twirling idiot the movie has to be something like “Valkarie” where Tom Cruise is trying to take down Nazis. There are a few exceptions like “Das Boot”, but nothing really recent that I can think of.
I think a biography/dramaitization of Rommel’s life would be amazing. And very doable in the “Nazis are evil” vein that is the criteria that must be met to make a WW2 movie (to be clear, Nazis are evil; but to make a movie about a German soldier who is not evil, that horse has to be beaten to death). If they keyed in on Rommel’s brilliance from Poland to Normandy, along with him being one of the few to stand up to Hitler… that would make for a great movie. Not to mention it has a rags to riches component since Rommel was really the only non-Prussian Field Marshall.
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How about some fantasy movie about how it was Churchill’s fault the Germans starved during and after WW2 and the murder of ten’s of millions of people was merely Germany making “a choice” to feed her own people, which as an argument was used by neonazi’s as a form of Holocaust denial. It would be narrated by some actor that looks and dresses like Herman Goering, and who like Boss Hogg is always talking with a hotdog in his mouth. It would be a new form of sarcasm and Historical commentary. The followup sequel would be how the Reich was forced into war and had no choice and how Japan was forced into attacking the US and attack China 10 years earlier in case the oil got cut off.
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Or how Bush and Blair were forced to invade Iraq to prevent Saddam’s planned attack on the west with WMDs.
Problem is, can they find an actor dumb enough to play Bush or one slimy enough to accurately portray Blair?
I’d like to see:
A movie showing the mass murder and ethnic cleansing of German civilians and “collaborators” from other nationalities that took place after the war, including the extent to which the western Allies helped the Soviets carry them out.
A movie showing Polish resistance to Soviet occupation which went on into the 1950s ignored by the West (which went to war in 1939 to “guarantee” Polish sovereignty, remember?)
A movie about the Germans who were executed after the Nuremburg trials for carrying out the Katyn massacre which everyone knew was really committed by the Soviets.
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@Imperious:
How about some fantasy movie about how it was Churchill’s fault the Germans starved during and after WW2 and the murder of ten’s of millions of people was merely Germany making “a choice” to feed her own people, which as an argument was used by neonazi’s as a form of Holocaust denial. It would be narrated by some actor that looks and dresses like Herman Goering, and who like Boss Hogg is always talking with a hotdog in his mouth. It would be a new form of sarcasm and Historical commentary. The followup sequel would be how the Reich was forced into war and had no choice and how Japan was forced into attacking the US and attack China 10 years earlier in case the oil got cut off.
IL, you trying to imply you want Kurt to be the lead actor or producer in this movie ?
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Or how Bush and Blair were forced to invade Iraq to prevent Saddam’s planned attack on the west with WMDs.
Problem is, can they find an actor dumb enough to play Bush or one slimy enough to accurately portray Blair?
I’ve seen actors becoming presidents. So Yes everything is possible.
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A German soldiers life, from '39 to '45.
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Or how Bush and Blair were forced to invade Iraq to prevent Saddam’s planned attack on the west with WMDs.
Problem is, can they find an actor dumb enough to play Bush or one slimy enough to accurately portray Blair?
W is not one of Oliver Stone’s best but worth an online stream. Josh Brolin (of Goonies fame) does a decent job as Dubya.
For the topic at hand a Kursk movie would be a helluva show.
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I want someone like that to play Herman to see the ridiculousness of some ideas and faulty reading. Every scene he would get larger and his uniform would entail a greater degree of mustard and ketchup stains as he describes the starving nature of everyday Germans. I might play Hoover and cook Chickens in front of starving NAZI victims, while recanting their plight.
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You don’t like Hermann much, don’t you?
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No. He was an abject failure. Not unlike Hoover, his brother :evil:
Thats a good reason why none of these blokes ( Nazi’s) were assassinated. The Allies needed them as failures in order to guarantee the final result. If somebody other than Hitler ran things, Allies would have been in huge problems.
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@Imperious:
No. He was an abject failure. Not unlike Hoover, his brother :evil:
Thats a good reason why none of these blokes ( Nazi’s [sic]) were assassinated. The Allies needed them as failures in order to guarantee the final result. If somebody other than Hitler ran things, Allies would have been in huge problems.
You are trolling, and can’t possibly be serious about either the above post, or any of your other posts in this thread.
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A movie on the battle of the Atlantic?
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Or The Cruel Sea.
I would like to see a film about the SAS or Chindits.
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i would like to see a Leyte Gulf movie…the greatest naval engagement of world war ii and maybe all of history and there is not a single film on the subject
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Would love to see a movie based of the axis point of view.
How did the japanese soldier feel, experience being dragged accross the pacific. […]
Also would add a lot of cultural differences as well, especialy for japanese soldiers that would fight till the death.The 1971 film The Battle of Okinawa (Gekido no showashi: Okinawa kessen) might qualify. It’s an odd film to watch from a North American perspective because the US troops are depicted in the same “faceless enemy” manner that American films have sometimes used to depict enemy troops in various wars. The film is in Japanese, but there are bits of English dialogue overheard fom the faceless American troops…and what makes these bits of dialogue sound almost creepy is that they are evidently being delivered by sort-of-English-speaking Japanese actors who are trying to sound like American soldiers talking in G.I. slang. Their speech inflections are all wrong, and you can barely tell what they’re saying. Which raises an interesting question: is this just bad movie-making, or was this how Japanese troops actually perceived the Americans during WWII?
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Would love to see a movie based of the axis point of view.
How did the japanese soldier feel, experience being dragged accross the pacific. First the victories @ singapore and then later solomon islands and rabaul or guam or something.
Bit like the pacific but then from the other standpoint.
A lot of movies focus on the winners but really the other sides where just doing their job as well they had families and had their friends dying on them just as much.
Also would add a lot of cultural differences as well, especialy for japanese soldiers that would fight till the death.Letters from Iwo Jima
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51lo2dpaZ_gThe following are all recent Japanese movies, with great CGI effects available in the US either subtitled or dubbed:
Battleship Yamato
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4QWqDTCk2AThe Eternal Zero
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOE3GuFbQWMThe Admiral (Yamamoto)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBQotim_ZHAThe Emperor in August
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0uE7cCqyKw -
Try Generation War - a German TV series:
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