crockett36 - Allies need bigger bids in all versions

farmboy

@crockett36 Its not so much that you should anticipate being a loser in the tuv comparison but that you offer combats in which the axis player has better (but usually not certain) odds (which would mean that if they went for it the axis would indeed, on average, have a better tuv outcome).

One example of this is a game I played with trulpen last year. In Round 3 the German air could attack the British fleet with about 80% odds. He went for it, rolled above average and won the battle. He lost 5 planes, but I lost 5 planes, a carrier, two cruisers and two transports. The TUV exchange was 54, double the average expected. Its a big defeat for the British navy but despite the TUV exchange (which I admit I worried about at the time) it probably lost him the game. He needed his 5 air more than I needed that 54 tuv and he also had to land most of his surviving air in Algeria. His air is either destroyed or out of position and he no longer has the ability to push the Soviets out of Bryansk and can’t reach Volgograd or the Caucasus.

The right move for him was to ignore my fleet because of the risk to his air which was needed elsewhere. So it was actually safe for me to offer those kind of odds.

If I’m worried about offering that 80% odds than I keep my UK fleet back so its putting less pressure on the axis. He then can’t attack the fleet but he also doesn’t have to worry about it and can focus on the Soviets,

crockett36

Who was the hero who gave Andrew 60 for the allies? And if I may tease you, don’t you want to be the best Axis AND Allies player in the world and not just the best Axis player, Andrew?

AndrewAAGamer

Surfer. I gave him the option of taking either side at 60, and he chose Axis.

As for being the best Axis player vs the best Allies player; the last time I checked the game was called Axis and Allies so my only goal is to be the best Axis and Allies player.

crockett36

@andrewaagamer So, we’ll agree to disagree about that! lol! just asking, but who would you say is the best Allied player on this site? Feel free to name a few or a single standout.

AndrewAAGamer

@crockett36 I can only speak to 2nd Edition OOB and I have not played everyone yet. So far, @JDOW was the best I have played against.

gamerman01

@crockett36
Just see who wins each playoff this year (and take a good look at runner-up)

You don’t even have to wait - most of the first round games are done and whoever is in the 2nd round have definitely proven themselves.

I see you have 3 games finished in 2023 and 3 in 2022.
Perhaps you are not familiar with the rankings spreadsheet.

Here is a link to the playoff sheet.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pYDcR_d27qG312v_rq2q35wYEEfO6mjrX-Co1nvKrlI/edit#gid=1003889830

It’s pretty safe to say that just about any of the players who have not been eliminated from the playoffs, at this point, would make you sweat in head-to-head combat!

gamerman01

Axis-Dominion, Adam514, and JDOW have won the last 5 Balanced Mod championships, and none of them play in league now.

Since none of them are with us presently, watch the 2022 playoff results for who could bash your head in the fastest ;)

Balanced mod seems to draw most (not all) of the highly competitive and active players.

crockett36

Plenty of people can bash my head in for a variety of reasons. I just want to know about the top 3 or 5.

gamerman01

Yup, I’d recommend looking at the playoff results thus far for whatever version you want to play.
You’re an out of the box man? Looks like you’ve already received the Myygames experience. He and Andrew have had the best results the past 2 years - -

but it’s a pretty small sample size.

crockett36

I’m looking forward to studying the play of the best allied player. I detest playing the Axis. The history gets to me.

crockett36

@andrewaagamer said in crockett36 - Allies need bigger bids in all versions:

@crockett36 I can only speak to 2nd Edition OOB and I have not played everyone yet. So far, @JDOW was the best I have played against.

thank you, sir.

mike64

I am a newer player with a small amount of experience playing people. I have spent a lot of time reading forum over the last year or two. What I put forward is based a lot on other peoples postings.
Crockett36 seems to present 60 is a fair bid in OOB because andrew said 60 is a fair bid. I believe when andrew made that statement he may have been referencing himself. A number of people
have said a fair bid would be a sort of a sliding scale that increases as a persons ability to take advantage of inherent advantages of playing axis in OOB.
I will post some rough numbers for demonstration purposes.
tier m v m 50-60
tier e v e 40-50
tier 1 v 1 30-40
tier 2 v 2 20-30
tier 3 v 3 0-20
play between players of more widely varying skill such as m v 2

mike64

on with previous post
M v 2 may be more dependent on who playing axis
M axis may give 50-60 where tier 2 playing axis may only give 20-30.
this part I dont feel as confident about but threw something out in case somebody asked.
this does sort of gives me a segway into fair bid between tier/skill levels. somebody posted years ago about bids to level skill differences but dont know how to look up. Booper recently mentioned 5 as addressing skill difference between people one level apart. My rough recollection is that it was more of range of 10-20 per every tier difference. They even had different numbers between tiers, such as tier 3 v tier 2 ---- 15-20. Tier 1 v Tier E -----10-15. etc. I would just use maybe 15 between tiers for this example as being more accurate is beyond me and that people who could possibly be more accurate are not going to spend time on it. so now M v 2 becomes.
tier M axis v tier 2 --------50-60 plus 3 tier difference at 15 each—45 produces a bid of 95-105.
tier 2 axis v tier M-------------20-30 minus 3 tier difference at 15 each—45 produces a bid of 15-25 to the axis.
recent example of tier M v tier 2 is ABH v Crockett allies + 100 as a tutor game that ABH won.
just had this in my head for a few days and wanted to get it out so I could let it go. I am in no way advocating or proposing this for league play. league play is generally about winning,ranking,champion etc. not trying to have everybody have 50-50 records with a 40 way tie for first and last place.

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