L22 playoff, OOB Lowluck, crockett (L+30) vs myygames (X)

Myygames

@crockett36 said in L22 playoff, OOB Lowluck, crockett (L+30) vs myygames (X):

no problem with edits.

perfect thanks

One question: The technology that US got this round is “Paratroopers”, correct? So 2 inf can jump from an airbase into a terretorry that is also otherwise attacked. correct?

crockett36

@myygames not sure on the computer. Only know house rules. Will find out.

Myygames

@crockett36 said in L22 playoff, OOB Lowluck, crockett (L+30) vs myygames (X):

@myygames not sure on the computer. Only know house rules. Will find out.

should be that one:

Paratroopers. Up to 2 of your infantry units in each territory with an air base can be moved to an enemy-controlled territory 3 or fewer spaces away that is being attacked by your land units from adjacent territories and/or by amphibious assault. When moving, paratroopers must obey the same restrictions that air units do. If the territory being attacked has AAA (antiaircraft artillery) units, the paratrooper infantry units are subject to antiaircraft fire in the same way as air units. If attacking along with land units from adjacent territories, paratroopers may retreat as normal.

https://axisallies.com/global-1940-second-edition-rules/

Myygames

@crockett36 i tested it locally and it seems to work just as described in the rules in my Post. I am not sure if the AA is correct, i would assume that each AA has still only 3 shots and that
Dices should be rolled against planes and paratroopers seperately. We will need to figure out if the low luck is working properly here in trippleA once we have that case.

ANZAC ist up for its Turn.

crockett36

@myygames anzac 1Axis & Allies myygames x vs crockett36 low luck Global 1940.2.tsvg

Myygames

@crockett36 G3-axis-amp-allies-myygames-x-vs-crockett36-low-luck-global-1940.2.tsvg

@crockett36 Please note that my sub in SZ125 prevents the russian NO according to the rules. Nevertheless there is a trippleA error that does calculate this incorrect, since russia is at war with italy and not with germany. In order to avoid miscalculation you need to declare war with russia on germany now, otherwise we need to edit it afterwards.

Game History

Round: 3

    Research Technology - Germans

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 4 armour, 1 infantry and 6 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        1 artillery moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
        2 bombers and 1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Southern Italy
        1 aaGun, 2 artilleries and 12 infantry moved from Romania to Eastern Poland
        1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States
        6 armour and 9 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Baltic States
        4 artilleries and 8 infantry moved from Poland to Eastern Poland
        1 aaGun moved from Slovakia Hungary to Romania
        3 armour and 1 infantry moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
        1 armour and 3 mech_infantrys moved from Yugoslavia to Romania
        4 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to Poland
        1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy
        1 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 91 Sea Zone
        1 artillery, 1 battleship, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 91 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 118 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 112 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 118 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Germans
        1 infantry placed in France
        4 armour and 6 mech_infantrys placed in Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 41 PUs; end with 41 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 46 PUs
        Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 51 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

crockett36

You’ll have to show me the rule in the book please. doesn’t make any sense logically strategically historically theoretically etc.

crockett36

@crockett36 Renegade games! please see this bad rule and change it!

Myygames

@crockett36 said in L22 playoff, OOB Lowluck, crockett (L+30) vs myygames (X):

You’ll have to show me the rule in the book please. doesn’t make any sense logically strategically historically theoretically etc.

The NO says „5 IPC if the convoi zone 125 is free of axis warships…“. This is Not the case, 125 is occupied. Please have a look at the section „political situation„ at your rulebook.

I have had this Play several times against me and used it as well several times. The rules are clear i think, but if in doubt we can for sure ask gamerman.

Historically the First tank in eastern poland was a german one, not an Italian. Nevertheless, this is just a boardgame, not history, and its a valid move like this.

crockett36

There is no axis alliance against R. The axis have not fully formed. The Allies have not fully formed. Only Italy versus R. Just because it is common doesn’t make it legal or reasonable.

crockett36

@crockett36 nothing personal BTW, I just think this is

crockett36

@crockett36 a travesty

crockett36

I have pm’d krieghund. He’s Larry’s rules guy.

Myygames

@crockett36 I do not take this personally, no worries, its just a dispute over a rule that Needs clarification.

I habe reached out to @gamerman01 for carification.

The question, and pls correct me if i am wrong, is about the russia NO
„
When the Soviet Union Is at War in Europe:

IPCs if the convoy in sea zone 125 is free of Axis warships, Archangel is controlled by the Soviet Union, and
there are no units belonging to other Allied powers present in any territories originally controlled by the Soviet
Union. Theme: National prestige and access to Allied Lend-Lease material
„

My Play is declaring war with italy but Not with Germany, so russia is at war with I but Not G at R3. The question is whether the german sub in SZ125 negates the NO or not. Would be grat to geht advice here. Thanx in advance to gamerman for his comments.

crockett36

Russia 2 Axis & Allies myygames x vs crockett36 low luck Global 1940.2.tsvg

gamerman01

Krieghund’s authority is much greater than mine, so that’s great if crockett is getting an answer from him, but

OOB I’m >90% sure the German sub does disrupt the Russian NO when Italy is at war with Russia. But it’s been a long time since I played OOB.

This is because
a) Russia is at war with Euro-Axis (Italy)
b) Italy and Germany are allied, because they are both at war with the UK
c) The NO rule says when the Soviet Union is at war in Europe (they are at war in Europe because at war with Italy), 125 has to be free of Axis warships. German sub is an Axis warship.

Weird because Russia is not directly at war with Germany, but according to the letter of the law here, Germany doesn’t have to be at war with Russia to disrupt the NO. Make sure with Krieghund, so my answer is basically useless except to say I think myygames is correct.

Note that in the Balanced Mod, Germany is barred from advancing into Russian territory in this manner without declaring war herself. But this isn’t balanced mod.

Myygames

@gamerman01 said in L22 playoff, OOB Lowluck, crockett (L+30) vs myygames (X):

Krieghund’s authority is much greater than mine, so that’s great if crockett is getting an answer from him, but

OOB I’m >90% sure the German sub does disrupt the Russian NO when Italy is at war with Russia. But it’s been a long time since I played OOB.

This is because
a) Russia is at war with Euro-Axis (Italy)
b) Italy and Germany are allied, because they are both at war with the UK
c) The NO rule says when the Soviet Union is at war in Europe (they are at war in Europe because at war with Italy), 125 has to be free of Axis warships. German sub is an Axis warship.

Weird because Russia is not directly at war with Germany, but according to the letter of the law here, Germany doesn’t have to be at war with Russia to disrupt the NO. Make sure with Krieghund, so my answer is basically useless except to say I think myygames is correct.

Note that in the Balanced Mod, Germany is barred from advancing into Russian territory in this manner without declaring war herself. But this isn’t balanced mod.

Thanks for your thoughts and appreciate you taking the time to help us here, gamerman!

@crockett36 Based on that I will edit russia back to 35 IPC (without the NO that is incorrectly assigned by TrippleA).

pacifiersboard

@myygames @crockett36 @gamerman01 @Krieghund

I saw your dispute by chance. At least it is also in the game notes:

“* (EM) If Russia is at war with Italy, but not with Germany, a German warship in sz125 will cancel Russia’s national objective (and same if at war with Germany but not Italy, and there is an Italian boat in sz125).”

pacifiersboard

(EM) = Edit Mode = You must use Edit Mode to correct or fix the error, because the engine either disallows the rule or otherwise does something wrong that you can correct.

crockett36

Krieghund has ruled in your favor. I’m glad bm mod fixes this. Let me say Shame on anyone who uses this trick. It does our community no good to have such nonsensical options and benefits. If China’s military occupied parts of Ukraine that were controlled by the invaders, it would be ww3.

I’m always looking out for the future of the game, introducing it to new players and flavoring it to pair with history. I’m agitating for change. Let us proceed with the match. Thanks to all for your assistance.

Btw my reasoning would revolve around the words Axis and warship. As G has not joined in an alliance against Russia, the Axis are not at war with Russia. Nor is a sub a warship unless Germany declares war. There is no axis versus allies until everyone is at war. The definition is evolving. Nuff said.

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