G40 Balance Mod - Feedback Thread

thanks

this means that marines can’t be loaded to warships if you want the warship to conduct only a naval battle (no amphibious assult)? However, if the warship was loaded in NCM in an earlier round the loaded warship can participate in naval battles without unloading the marine?

@oysteilo:

thanks

this means that marines can’t be loaded to warships if you want the warship to conduct only a naval battle (no amphibious assult)? However, if the warship was loaded in NCM in an earlier round the loaded warship can participate in naval battles without unloading the marine?

Exactly.

Has it been considered to make SZ5 a convoy zone?

That’s a another move which deters a USSR DOW on Japan.

Why does Russia reinforcing an Ally-held Korea not stop Mongolia from activating if Japan invades Russia?  Isn’t this the same tacky trick people used to use with Germany reinforcing Italian-held Russian territory but not declaring war on Russia so they could still get NO money?

No it hasn’t been considered. Haven’t you been saying that the drawback from Russia DOW on Japan is too big already though?

@Talleyrand19:

Why does Russia reinforcing an Ally-held Korea not stop Mongolia from activating if Japan invades Russia?  Isn’t this the same tacky trick people used to use with Germany reinforcing Italian-held Russian territory but not declaring war on Russia so they could still get NO money?

It’s because no combat or invasion occurred. Russia absolutely needs to DOW on Japan to move into friendly Korea though.

@Adam514:

No it hasn’t been considered. Haven’t you been saying that the drawback from Russia DOW on Japan is too big already though?

I was thinking this would be an alternative.

I still think it is silly that the ussr Japan relationship affects the value of the pacific lens lease

@Adam514:

@Talleyrand19:

Why does Russia reinforcing an Ally-held Korea not stop Mongolia from activating if Japan invades Russia?  Isn’t this the same tacky trick people used to use with Germany reinforcing Italian-held Russian territory but not declaring war on Russia so they could still get NO money?

It’s because no combat or invasion occurred. Russia absolutely needs to DOW on Japan to move into friendly Korea though.

yeah, they DOW on Japan…but then still get to reinforce Korea with no drawback on Mongolian relationship? even though to take Korea back as Japan you’d still have to fight the Russians…seems cheeky

@Gamerman01:

Russia doesn’t need a DOW on Japan to enter a friendly Korea.  It’s the same as Germany moving into an originally Russian territory that’s been taken by Italy.

That’s in vanilla. In BM no nation can move into an occupied territory unless they are at war with the original owner of the territory. That’s why it’s now illegal for Germany to follow into Italian controlled Russian territories without being at war with Russia.

Dangit, you’re too stinking fast!  Didn’t give me time to make sure, and make the correction.

Russia can’t enter a friendly Korea in vanilla either.  It’s because they’re a neutral power on the Pacific board and neutral powers can’t move their units into Allied territories, so you were right.

But you’re wrong about it being different for BM  :-D
Probably because you assumed I was right for vanilla  :-P

@Adam514:

@Gamerman01:

Russia doesn’t need a DOW on Japan to enter a friendly Korea.  It’s the same as Germany moving into an originally Russian territory that’s been taken by Italy.

That’s in vanilla. In BM no nation can move into an occupied territory unless they are at war with the original owner of the territory. That’s why it’s now illegal for Germany to follow into Italian controlled Russian territories without being at war with Russia.

Is it as generic as this? I thought it was only USSR couldn’t move in to allies nor axis powers move into USSR without a DOW in BM.

@Adam514:

@Gamerman01:

Russia doesn’t need a DOW on Japan to enter a friendly Korea.� It’s the same as Germany moving into an originally Russian territory that’s been taken by Italy.

That’s in vanilla. In BM no nation can move into an occupied territory unless they are at war with the original owner of the territory. That’s why it’s now illegal for Germany to follow into Italian controlled Russian territories without being at war with Russia.

I get that too haha…I’m just not getting why Russia still gets the Mongolia-benefit if they are in Korea as reinforcers? surely that counts as aggression towards Japan

@Talleyrand19:

I get that too haha…I’m just not getting why Russia still gets the Mongolia-benefit if they are in Korea as reinforcers? surely that counts as aggression towards Japan

It’s not just Korea, it’s any territory bordering Mongolia - Russia could reinforce Manchuria, for example, without losing Mongolia

Requires an attack

I guess think about it from the Mongolian’s viewpoint.  If Russia isn’t attacking (a territory bordering, or Korea), then the Russians are not generating any hostilities near Mongolia.

@Gamerman01:

I guess think about it from the Mongolian’s viewpoint.  If Russia isn’t attacking (a territory bordering, or Korea), then the Russians are not generating any hostilities near Mongolia.

yeah, I guess I get what you’re saying, still a bit cheeky haha…but thanks for responses

The other way of looking at it is the DOW is a bit of a generation of hostilities. Near the border or not, why should the Mongolians then help the USSR?

I split several posts to a separate, unstickied, thread because they were not related to balanced mod.
(I was the one who got it off-topic too)

@Adam514:

@simon33:

I think BM makes Sea Lion weaker, because if you attempt it USSR gets some extra strength. Barbarrossa is made more urgent to whittle down those extra NOs.

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In BM London is worth 5 more to Germany, and UK Euro’s income potential is bigger than in vanilla. I think that those are more than enough to counter the few PUs Russia gains (until they would get Iraq and the rest for example).

Re read this comment and I notice that someone liked it but I must say that I have trouble with it. 5PUs for Germany? Pffft.

Compared to the extra 4PUs per turn for USSR, at least in most games, it doesn’t stack up. Germany needs to spend more than 1PU of income to take 1PU from USSR because it needs to attack and often must buy fast moving units while USSR can buy a lot of infantry.

I suppose Sea Lion means those UK Europe NOs go to waste but even so, it is extremely difficult for the UK to trade IPCs even nearly 1 to 1 with Germany.

I’ve been saying that having the 5 PU bonus for holding London stack with the one for Egypt was a good idea.  Taking the one makes the other easy to take, as a general rule.  But even then, I’d be wary of a Sealion in most circumstances.

So if UK take French Indo, declares war on Japan before USA is at war, and Japan takes back FI, the +10 is gone?

That doesn’t make any sense. The neutrality of FI was breached by UK, who then unilaterally declared war on Japan, so USA shouldn’t care if Japan takes a UK occupied FI.