G40 Balance Mod - Feedback Thread

  • '19 '17 '16

    I think BM makes Sea Lion weaker, because if you attempt it USSR gets some extra strength. Barbarrossa is made more urgent to whittle down those extra NOs.

  • '19 '17

    @simon33:

    I think BM makes Sea Lion weaker, because if you attempt it USSR gets some extra strength. Barbarrossa is made more urgent to whittle down those extra NOs.

    How is it different from USSR getting extra strength in vanilla if Sealion happens?

  • '19 '17 '16

    @Adam514:

    @simon33:

    I think BM makes Sea Lion weaker, because if you attempt it USSR gets some extra strength. Barbarrossa is made more urgent to whittle down those extra NOs.

    How is it different from USSR getting extra strength in vanilla if Sealion happens?

    It is increased by the additional NOs USSR gets in BM. That is what I meant by “extra strength” - extra compared to vanilla.

  • '19 '17

    @simon33:

    @Adam514:

    @simon33:

    I think BM makes Sea Lion weaker, because if you attempt it USSR gets some extra strength. Barbarrossa is made more urgent to whittle down those extra NOs.

    How is it different from USSR getting extra strength in vanilla if Sealion happens?

    It is increased by the additional NOs USSR gets in BM. That is what I meant by “extra strength” - extra compared to vanilla.

    In BM London is worth 5 more to Germany, and UK Euro’s income potential is bigger than in vanilla. I think that those are more than enough to counter the few PUs Russia gains (until they would get Iraq and the rest for example).

  • 2024 '23 '22 '21 '20 '19 '18 '17 '16 '15

    @Adam514:

    @Gamerman01:

    Another question about marines -

    Can you load a marine onto a cruiser/battleship in the combat movement phase and not unload it in an amphibious assault that same combat move?

    No, it acts like a transport in these cases.

    Rule experts, please expand on this. This is a rule I am not aware of. So this means if you load a transport/cruiser/battleship and move this unit to a seasone where you are unloading other transports/warships all transports/warships must unload all mean in the amphibious assult? Or can this loaded cruiser/BB move to a different sea sone where you are conducting only a naval battle (I assume you can)

    If we take this a step further it is possible to have a loaded transport in a sz that has become hostile (f.ex the enemy placed a destroyer there during placement phase). This transport must move and if the only safe location is where you conduct an amphibious assult these men must unload?

  • '19 '17

    @oysteilo:

    @Adam514:

    @Gamerman01:

    Another question about marines -

    Can you load a marine onto a cruiser/battleship in the combat movement phase and not unload it in an amphibious assault that same combat move?

    No, it acts like a transport in these cases.

    Rule experts, please expand on this. This is a rule I am not aware of. So this means if you load a transport/cruiser/battleship and move this unit to a seasone where you are unloading other transports/warships all transports/warships must unload all mean in the amphibious assult? Or can this loaded cruiser/BB move to a different sea sone where you are conducting only a naval battle (I assume you can)

    If we take this a step further it is possible to have a loaded transport in a sz that has become hostile (f.ex the enemy placed a destroyer there during placement phase). This transport must move and if the only safe location is where you conduct an amphibious assult these men must unload?

    1. All units you load in the combat phase must conduct an amphibious assault (unless you had a half loaded tp before the combat phase). So you can’t load a marine in the combat phase unless you are also unloading it in an enemy territory in the combat phase.

    2. No, since the tp was loaded before the combat phase.

  • 2024 '23 '22 '21 '20 '19 '18 '17 '16 '15

    thanks

    this means that marines can’t be loaded to warships if you want the warship to conduct only a naval battle (no amphibious assult)? However, if the warship was loaded in NCM in an earlier round the loaded warship can participate in naval battles without unloading the marine?

  • '19 '17

    @oysteilo:

    thanks

    this means that marines can’t be loaded to warships if you want the warship to conduct only a naval battle (no amphibious assult)? However, if the warship was loaded in NCM in an earlier round the loaded warship can participate in naval battles without unloading the marine?

    Exactly.

  • '19 '17 '16

    Has it been considered to make SZ5 a convoy zone?

    That’s a another move which deters a USSR DOW on Japan.


  • Why does Russia reinforcing an Ally-held Korea not stop Mongolia from activating if Japan invades Russia?  Isn’t this the same tacky trick people used to use with Germany reinforcing Italian-held Russian territory but not declaring war on Russia so they could still get NO money?

  • '19 '17

    No it hasn’t been considered. Haven’t you been saying that the drawback from Russia DOW on Japan is too big already though?

  • '19 '17

    @Talleyrand19:

    Why does Russia reinforcing an Ally-held Korea not stop Mongolia from activating if Japan invades Russia?  Isn’t this the same tacky trick people used to use with Germany reinforcing Italian-held Russian territory but not declaring war on Russia so they could still get NO money?

    It’s because no combat or invasion occurred. Russia absolutely needs to DOW on Japan to move into friendly Korea though.

  • '19 '17 '16

    @Adam514:

    No it hasn’t been considered. Haven’t you been saying that the drawback from Russia DOW on Japan is too big already though?

    I was thinking this would be an alternative.

    I still think it is silly that the ussr Japan relationship affects the value of the pacific lens lease


  • @Adam514:

    @Talleyrand19:

    Why does Russia reinforcing an Ally-held Korea not stop Mongolia from activating if Japan invades Russia?  Isn’t this the same tacky trick people used to use with Germany reinforcing Italian-held Russian territory but not declaring war on Russia so they could still get NO money?

    It’s because no combat or invasion occurred. Russia absolutely needs to DOW on Japan to move into friendly Korea though.

    yeah, they DOW on Japan…but then still get to reinforce Korea with no drawback on Mongolian relationship? even though to take Korea back as Japan you’d still have to fight the Russians…seems cheeky

  • '19 '17

    @Gamerman01:

    Russia doesn’t need a DOW on Japan to enter a friendly Korea.  It’s the same as Germany moving into an originally Russian territory that’s been taken by Italy.

    That’s in vanilla. In BM no nation can move into an occupied territory unless they are at war with the original owner of the territory. That’s why it’s now illegal for Germany to follow into Italian controlled Russian territories without being at war with Russia.


  • Dangit, you’re too stinking fast!  Didn’t give me time to make sure, and make the correction.

    Russia can’t enter a friendly Korea in vanilla either.  It’s because they’re a neutral power on the Pacific board and neutral powers can’t move their units into Allied territories, so you were right.

    But you’re wrong about it being different for BM  :-D
    Probably because you assumed I was right for vanilla  :-P

  • '19 '17 '16

    @Adam514:

    @Gamerman01:

    Russia doesn’t need a DOW on Japan to enter a friendly Korea.  It’s the same as Germany moving into an originally Russian territory that’s been taken by Italy.

    That’s in vanilla. In BM no nation can move into an occupied territory unless they are at war with the original owner of the territory. That’s why it’s now illegal for Germany to follow into Italian controlled Russian territories without being at war with Russia.

    Is it as generic as this? I thought it was only USSR couldn’t move in to allies nor axis powers move into USSR without a DOW in BM.


  • @Adam514:

    @Gamerman01:

    Russia doesn’t need a DOW on Japan to enter a friendly Korea.� It’s the same as Germany moving into an originally Russian territory that’s been taken by Italy.

    That’s in vanilla. In BM no nation can move into an occupied territory unless they are at war with the original owner of the territory. That’s why it’s now illegal for Germany to follow into Italian controlled Russian territories without being at war with Russia.

    I get that too haha…I’m just not getting why Russia still gets the Mongolia-benefit if they are in Korea as reinforcers? surely that counts as aggression towards Japan


  • @Talleyrand19:

    I get that too haha…I’m just not getting why Russia still gets the Mongolia-benefit if they are in Korea as reinforcers? surely that counts as aggression towards Japan

    It’s not just Korea, it’s any territory bordering Mongolia - Russia could reinforce Manchuria, for example, without losing Mongolia

    Requires an attack


  • I guess think about it from the Mongolian’s viewpoint.  If Russia isn’t attacking (a territory bordering, or Korea), then the Russians are not generating any hostilities near Mongolia.

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