Bismarck
What if you were Hitler
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YG, if you could postpone war until 1943 (let’s assume that’s possible), as IL suggests, would you take control of Hitler before the invasion of Poland and trade the unbelievable tactical success of that campaign for the strategic success of not being at war?
Part of all of the “everything known in retrospect” is that we know for sure what the British and French reaction to the invasion of Poland is – Hitler believed that they would cave and continue to appease him.
If we are, indeed, framing the hypothetical after Germans had boots on the ground in Poland, I’d have to wonder what the climate would look like if Hitler made a pact with Stalin that he intended to keep. London falls and the US has to stand alone against the combined might of Japan, Germany and its little puppet to the south, and the USSR.
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Capture the British at Dunkirk, do no aggression against England, build fighters and radar, work on a nuclear bomb, and leave Russia alone!
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If Germany delayed the war to 1943, URRS would have conquered all east Europe, maybe even Norway, Hungary, the Balkans…
If I were Hitler…
After capturing Paris I’d try to make a deal with UK: Dear UK, we give back France to the French for free as kong as we ceasefire and you two join the Axis for a better Europe.If they accept… next target is Russia.
If they refuse… France will know that UK betrayed them, then I woild still offer them liberation to fight together the UK. I’ll try to focus all on UK. -
I like il 's quote “once russia was defeated” makes it sound so easy
I would declare il a war criminal and eradicate his dna from the planet
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URRS would have conquered all east Europe, maybe even Norway, Hungary, the Balkans…
First they would need to figure out how to fight in Finland with overwhelming odds…and avoid a DOW from the allies for invading Norway, Hungary, Balkans, etc.
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@Imperious:
URRS would have conquered all east Europe, maybe even Norway, Hungary, the Balkans…
First they would need to figure out how to fight in Finland with overwhelming odds…and avoid a DOW from the allies for invading Norway, Hungary, Balkans, etc.
The Axis helped Finland (especially Italy, -sriously- ) with weapons and supplies. UK couldnt care less (Russia did expand before germany’s dow. The Allies didnt care less)
Like for Poland. Uk and France dowd only Germany.
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Good point Noll. Did Britain ever ask Stalin to give back the half of Poland he took in 39?
I wonder if anyone knows. Was Britain(Chamberlain) scared to challenge him?
I am interested in battles and commanders and have never bothered with the politics and politicians. -
I would let it play out untill Dunkirk before I strategical intervene, except the Military production.
Allready implementing standard systems and manufacturing as well as armour and ammo production.Opel Blitz would be main deliverer of Opel Blitz Maultiers and trucks with modifications (Carden-Lloyd-Laufwerk) Halftracks like the SdKfz 250 and 251.
Mercedes would be Main Deliverer of Medic and Radio Trucks and Supply Trucks. (this effect will eliminate the abundace of vehikels and decrease the use of too many horses)Tanks would only be developed with 7.5 cm and 8.8 cm guns, reconaissance with 2cm guns Standard.
Panzer II, III,and IV would still be manufactored but with diffrent options.
Panzer II would be produced as 10,5 cm Artillery “Wasp” and carrier and as Lynx Reconaissance Tank (by development)
Panzer III would be manuf. as StuG´s and StuG Ausf. H (further developments)
Panzer IV would be the main Tank with a 7.5 cm Gun and further developed.
-Also be used for selfpropelled Artillery Guns (Hummel with rotary turret).
(this will effect the abundance of the variety of tanks with diffrent calibers according to their Guns)Further researches for better Tanks like the Panther would also be pushed.(Germans knew allready of the existens of the T-34 but simply underestimated it)
Chech Tanks would be raw modells for Tankdestroyers like the “Hetzer”
Speer would be immediatly in charge of the manufacturing in Germany.
Göring and other names would be fired or banned into exil.
The Wehrmacht would receive Luftwaffen liaison officer for better cooperating in battle between Tanks and Luftwaffe, so will the Navy. The Luftwaffe it self would be split in three diffrent parts and diffrent types of planes.
So is the first part for the Wehrmacht stocked with mainly Stukkas and Fighters, The Navy with Fighters and types for their specific use and the Luftwaffe HQ with Fighters , Strat.- and Tac Bombers.
(this will erase the missuse of Hierarchy and missunderstandings)Ways of using the Fallshirmjäger later on would be as well researched.
For the Kriegsmarine (Navy) is planned to get 2-3 Aircraftcarriers with a hold of aprox. 30 - 35 planes to carry and another Bismarck class and named after Schlieffen and bigger subs with Snorkel.
Strategy: Taking Dunkirk by proceeding with the Armies with NO halt.
After that turing down south towards Paris as happend in WWII. Finishing the campagne of Greece and the Balkans.
Sending forces for Unternehmen Sonnenblume to aid Italian in the Africa campagne plus one additional Forces.
(England will not be invaded but cut off from all suplies by the wolfsrudel)
Unternehmen Brabarossa will not begin before spring 1942!
With the now manufactured Military armament and gained experience I could now strike into Russia and move torwards Moskow.
Then cease fire and get another trade with Russia by end of ´42 start of ´43. At this time England should be isolated and cut off by any supplies. If Russia or England should not surrender or sign a treaty, then another attack with the now more advanced technologies of weapon will do the rest. -
@Imperious:
URRS would have conquered all east Europe, maybe even Norway, Hungary, the Balkans…
First they would need to figure out how to fight in Finland with overwhelming odds…and avoid a DOW from the allies for invading Norway, Hungary, Balkans, etc.
I imagine they could avoid a DOW from the Allies for invading Hungary, Balkans etc. by using the dame method they used in real life.
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by using the dame method …
Axis Sally?
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Would had shot Göring at latest 1937, and doubled the R&D for jet fighters. Sent Speer to USA to learn stuff about mass production. Would had NOT DOW USA.
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And the obvious: Instead of writing Mein Kampf I would had studied history and warfare while in prison, and never started campaign against jews.
Maybe shot Himmler 1939.
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And the obvious: Instead of writing Mein Kampf I would had studied history and warfare while in prison, and never started campaign against jews.
Maybe shot Himmler 1939.
:-D
He should have studied Painting and Drawing, so he could have done that with his time.
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As long as he did not expect to live off the proceeds. I hear they were worse than arse.
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He better should have stood on his side of the river in austria…
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@aequitas:
He better should have stood on his side of the river in austria…
I think he would disagree. :roll:
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I can just see him throwing flowers on a passing tank and cheering madly as the Germans enter his country in 38, moustache crinkling with joy.
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Sun Tzu is famous for stating that the battle is often won or lost before your troops even engage the enemy.
Alliances were key before the start of war.I would have
1 Find a way to ally with the USSR for at least a decade ( hard to do since Ger, Ity and Jpn were joined by treaty in the Axis as an anti-communist effort)
1A Invite the USSR to attack the British through Persia.
1B Concentrate resources to wrestle Arabian oil away from the British and their allies .
2 Leaving the Mediterranean sphere to Italy was a disaster
and I would have ended earlier.3 Italian troops should have gotten upgraded training before they were lost in the early going.
4 I would have started joint military war games/exercises in Austria and Czechoslovakia with the German, Italian, and other axis troops to get them all up to par.
This would get them all used to German close air support and combined arms tactics that worked so well in the french blitzkreig.5. Invited the Japanese admiralty (especially Yamamoto) to inspect the European fleets soon after signing the Axis Tri party agreements
6. Yamamoto was opposed to the Rome-Berlin-Tokyo Tripartite Pact.
I would Court Yamamoto and win him over in a way similar to how Hitler got support from the Asters in the UK.7. Sponsor alliance ready, facist-type, organizations in Egypt, Cyprus, Ireland, Norway, Iceland, etc… who would at least be neutral to the UK. Whoever the Axis can use to gain leverage over the UK.
8. What worked so well in Norway should have been done in Egypt near the Suez Canal and/or Cyprus. Before the Norway invasion.
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