Presidential Election (as a current event- watch the tone or it's gone)

I don’t think using obama’s middle name is worse than Obama’s I’ll fart peppermint if you vote for me speeches.  Or Chris Matthews Obama makes me cry crap…

It might be different if it were McCain getting jabs by using his middle name but I think you have to consider the source on comments like this one.

@dezrtfish:

I don’t think using obama’s middle name is worse than Obama’s I’ll fart peppermint if you vote for me speeches.  Or Chris Matthews Obama makes me cry crap…

It might be different if it were McCain getting jabs by using his middle name but I think you have to consider the source on comments like this one.

Obama’s peppermint farts and the republican and conservative use of his middle name are both equally silly.

Elaborate more on the second statement, please.

Clinton has won Texas and Ohio. I think this one will go down to the convention and I also have a feeling that Clinton will garner more superdelegates than Obama. You don’t spend 35 years in politics and not learn how to conduct backroom deals.

i agree big dog, hillary would get it behind doors.  the african americans will feel extemely shit upon if hillary gets the nod.  every election year more vote republican.  this may be the icing on the cake to give republicans around 30-40% of their vote finally.  that would be excellent.

for once they felt like they had the one.  not any more, and that’s going to be a bitter pill.  its democratic KARMA.

Hillary did well today, sadly.

3 wins in 4 states.  The BEST the pundits had predicted for her was 2 wins…  Rhode Island was supposed to be Obama’s.

Pennsylvania will be the next BIG contest…  which will be a first for them.  I don;t think PA’s primaries have EVER counted for anything in a Presidential race… at least not since Buchanan’s era…

@JWW:

@Jermofoot:

It’s unnecessary to list obama’s middle name and is only used as a knee jerk reaction to draw some line between him and Saddam/Islam.  But it is his middle name.

You may feel it is unnecessary for groups, the media etc… to use his middle name but there certainly isn’t anything wrong with these groups using it.

Look at who’s doing it.  It’s obvious it’s a low blow to paint Obama as something he is not.  Do they ever list other candidate’s middle names? That is a resounding no.  I bet many who watch Fox know Obama’s middle name, but could not say Bush’s for the life of them.  Is it wrong?  Well, there’s nothing stopping them from doing it.  But it’s obvious what they are trying to do.  Do you think these same people would mention Bill Clinton’s middle name?  Nope, because it has a positive association.  Nuff said.

Yeah, Clinton was a surprise yesterday…

@Cobert:

@dezrtfish:

I don’t think using obama’s middle name is worse than Obama’s I’ll fart peppermint if you vote for me speeches.  Or Chris Matthews Obama makes me cry crap…

It might be different if it were McCain getting jabs by using his middle name but I think you have to consider the source on comments like this one.

Obama’s peppermint farts and the republican and conservative use of his middle name are both equally silly.

Elaborate more on the second statement, please.

What I’m saying is the people that are using Hussein are not the candidates themselves, the Candidates should be held to a higher standard, state your position and why you are the better person.  Irrelevant jabbering like the middle name thing is reserved for people who jabber protected by freedom of speech.  Political commentarists (is that even a word?) are free to say what they want it’s up to the people to consider the source.

And what I mean by “peppermint farts” is promising something that is impossible to pull off, but sounds really great.  Like the Hillary promise to bring jobs to New York that didn’t happen.  According to her it would have if Gore had been elected.  So in other words she made a promise and didn’t make with the Jobs, but it wasn’t her fault.  So all the super happy things that Obama is promising don’t actually have to happen, because it’s not his fault if they’re not possible, he’ll try really hard though.

@ncscswitch:

Pennsylvania will be the next BIG contest…  which will be a first for them.  I don;t think PA’s primaries have EVER counted for anything in a Presidential race… at least not since Buchanan’s era…

Yah who’d have thought we’d count. I bet York Harley Davidson is preparing for the campaign stop speeches as we speak. ~ZP

In regards to Obama it’s simple.  His middle name IS Hussein.  His heritage IS muslim.  He may not be muslim, but his heritage IS muslim and if he holds any sympathies or familial ties to the Islamic faith that may jeopardizes his ability to perform the duties of Commander in Chief, then we should be made aware of it.  Gagging people and preventing them from using their freedom of speech is a violation of the US Constitution and thus, unAmerican and VERY liberal tactic.

As for pulling out of Iraq, why would we do that when even Iran says we’re winning in Iraq?  The next president will NOT pull out of Iraq.  We’ll be there until 2030 unless something strange and unforeseen happens (like America ceases to exist after China forecloses on us after we implement universal healthcare and drop our GPD to -2.0% per annum.)

The next president is going to have to deal with Israel.  Which presidential candidate would allow Israel to defend itself and stop middle east aggression permanently and conclusively?  Which presidential candidates would allow Islam to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth and complete the job that Hitler attempted to do in the 1930s and 1940s?

As for Hill/Barry I like that they’re going to have to drag this out until August.  McCain’s a spineless little twit, he’s already gone on the record that he will not attack Obama’s record, nor run any campaigns to show how he’s better then Hillary or Obama.  That means we need SOMEONE to do it, and right now, the only ones who are doing it are Hillary and Obama.  The longer that campaign goes on, the better our chances to get a “Conservative-Liberal” (McCain’s description of himself in a speech just this week) or a Conservative into the office.

Honestly, I hope McCain finds the most, damn, Conservative person on the plant to run as his VP.  Then we can vote for the VP and hope the Pres has to retire due to a failing heart or terminal cancer or something.  After all, he’ll be the oldest President in American history, there’s a very good chance he may not survive his first term of office.  A nice 35 year old red blooded conservative for his running mate would at least give real conservatives some hope of conservative policy re-entering the White House after being absent since 1992.

McCain is the oldest fist term running for pres, not the oldest pres.

Assuming he wins and assuming he gets a second term, he’s the oldest president.

What I’m saying is the people that are using Hussein are not the candidates themselves, the Candidates should be held to a higher standard, state your position and why you are the better person.  Irrelevant jabbering like the middle name thing is reserved for people who jabber protected by freedom of speech.  Political commentarists (is that even a word?) are free to say what they want it’s up to the people to consider the source.

Okay then yes I agree, it woud be far worse if a candidate were to try and use it.

In regards to Obama it’s simple.  His middle name IS Hussein.  His heritage IS muslim.  He may not be muslim, but his heritage IS muslim and if he holds any sympathies or familial ties to the Islamic faith that may jeopardizes his ability to perform the duties of Commander in Chief, then we should be made aware of it.  Gagging people and preventing them from using their freedom of speech is a violation of the US Constitution and thus, unAmerican and VERY liberal tactic.

I agree that the president should hold religion out of their decision making.  Now go tell that to any of the Christian presidents.

Who said we should prevent people from using his middle name?  I said it was perfectly fine, just really annoying.

As for pulling out of Iraq, why would we do that when even Iran says we’re winning in Iraq?  The next president will NOT pull out of Iraq.  We’ll be there until 2030 unless something strange and unforeseen happens (like America ceases to exist after China forecloses on us after we implement universal healthcare and drop our GPD to -2.0% per annum.)

Sadly, yes, this war will continue for a looooong looooong time.

The next president is going to have to deal with Israel.  Which presidential candidate would allow Israel to defend itself and stop middle east aggression permanently and conclusively?  Which presidential candidates would allow Islam to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth and complete the job that Hitler attempted to do in the 1930s and 1940s?

Israel probably shouldnt exist.  No president would dare allow them to try and stick up for themselves though, because they would be called ‘the new hitler’.  The second hitler term should be applied to those who relocated the jews to that area in the first place.

As for Hill/Barry I like that they’re going to have to drag this out until August.  McCain’s a spineless little twit, he’s already gone on the record that he will not attack Obama’s record, nor run any campaigns to show how he’s better then Hillary or Obama.  That means we need SOMEONE to do it, and right now, the only ones who are doing it are Hillary and Obama.  The longer that campaign goes on, the better our chances to get a “Conservative-Liberal” (McCain’s description of himself in a speech just this week) or a Conservative into the office.

This inter-party democrat bickering is definitely helping McCain.  I wouldnt call hims pineless for not attacking obama, but I would call him senseless for not running a campaign that will compare him to hilary or obama.  People are too lazy to do it themselves, not putting the comparisons in a TV ad will just ruin you.

Honestly, I hope McCain finds the most, damn, Conservative person on the plant to run as his VP.  Then we can vote for the VP and hope the Pres has to retire due to a failing heart or terminal cancer or something.  After all, he’ll be the oldest President in American history, there’s a very good chance he may not survive his first term of office.  A nice 35 year old red blooded conservative for his running mate would at least give real conservatives some hope of conservative policy re-entering the White House after being absent since 1992.

I think having a strong conservative to offset his centrist views would help McCain greatly.  All of those conservatives that jumped ship when they realized that Romney or Huckabee werent going to win may just hop back on board.

I think we need a President who will do with Israel what FDR did with England before December 7th, 1941.  We’ll sell them equipment and stay out of the bloody way and let Israel conquer the middle east once and for all.  Israel’s already proven itself capable of defending itself against three major fronts in a matter of weeks.  Why do you think terrorism was born?  The regular muslim armies had their butts (and Russian equipment) handed to them in the war!

I think Israel, at this point, has more of a right to exist where they are then any of the other nations in the area now.  If they are conquered, we can talk about them having lost that right.  However, the ultimate definition of a right to exist as a nation is if you can adequately defend yourself from invasion.  If America would get out of the way, they would be more able to defend themselves, not less.

We need a President who understands that and will do it.  We also need a president who will move the US Embassy to Jerusalem instead of some backwater town.  Everyone else has their embassies there, that’s where business is conducted, that’s where we should be too.

As for Iraq.  The Sunnis and Shi’ites want us there.  The Kurds are coming our way too.  Pulling out now would be horrible!  We’d be snatching defeat in the war on terror from the jaws of victory!  Though, we do need to start convincing the locals that they should go to their own government to solve their problems, not American officers.  Currently our officers are acting like local magistrates and project managers to reconstruct the nation.  That’s not really their job.  But while the dust settles and the last few pockets of resistance are destroyed, they are doing the job and doing it well.

I don’t trust Hillary to do the job well.  There was an article printed in Iraq just recently about her:

“…in which she {Susan Faludi} denounced the proponents of nanny-state big government - ‘Hillary & Co’ prominent among them - for having de-balled American men in the air just as they had on the ground.  The airline cabin was ‘the perfect symbol’ of ‘the modern social-democratic state’, she wrote, with a female FAA directory who stripped pilots of their handguns and an oligarchy of flight attendants on every plane whose dictates had to be obeyed.”

That’s how the Islamic world views the American women, especially Mrs. Clinton.  That’s not a position of respect.  As such, Hillary will find it almost impossible to negotiate and, therefore, we may see an increase in recruiting efforts by the enemies of democracy and America with greater success if she is elected.

As for Barry (Barrack Hussein Obama), he refuses to answer questions as to whether or not he has any nostalgia for islam or for his islamic roots.  If he cannot answer a simple question like that, how can we trust him to do more then wag a finger and call for change?

I won’t slam him for his present votes in Illinois.  It’s standard practice here to vote present if you neither agree nor disagree with the proposed plan, but rather want to try and refine it a bit more.  Most of the country is unaware of that, and I’m sure in the other 49 states, it will be used against him.

Then we get to McCain.  Pro-Illegal Immigration.  Anti-Tax Cuts.  Pro-Universal Health Care.  But also pro-American defense.

What we need from him is a very strong conservative.  Or at least a moderate conservative.  (McCain has called himself a “Progressive, Conservative-Liberal.”  In other words, he’s a liberal who has conservative leanings, in his own mind.  To balance that we need an Ultra-Right Wing Conservative.  Maybe Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity should be Vice President. :P

Seriously, however, McCain may be wise to get Romney on board to be Veep.  He’s not ultra ultra conservative, but at least he’ll bring 40% of the Republicans with him and they can be added to the 40% McCain has.  Then they only have to persuade the other 20% to stick around and get 50% of the democrats who are pissed off their candidate got booted in late August (and cannot run ANY advertisements through October AT ALL due to Campaign Finance Reform) to jump ship.

@Jermofoot:

Look at who’s doing it.  It’s obvious it’s a low blow

If you don’t realize that the far right or far left aren’t going to do things such as this you are living in Neverland. Your expectations are whacked.

@Jermofoot:

to paint Obama as something he is not.

They aren’t doing ANY painting. They are accurately stating his middle name and reminding everyone that he has middle eastern lineage. There is nothing false, wrong or accusatory about this. It is what it is. Now if you are upset that this impact’s some peoples feelings about the candidate then that is another issue.

@Jermofoot:

Do they ever list other candidate’s middle names?

if there were any possibility of political gain by either the right or left they certainly would. To believe otherwise is simply naive.

@Jermofoot:

I bet many who watch Fox know Obama’s middle name, but could not say Bush’s for the life of them.  Is it wrong?

Nope, it’s simply politics

@Jermofoot:

Well, there’s it’s obvious what they are trying to do.

And the unfortunate thing is it might actually effect people but that is the America we live in today. Reality bites, huh brother?

Extended names are a part of politics.

What’s Hillary known as?  Hillary RODHAM-Clinton.  Not just Hillary Clinton.

What’s Bills middle name?  William JEFFERSON Clinton

What’s Bush’s middle name?  George WALKER Bush (Dad is George Herbert-Walker Bush)

What was Kerry’s middle initial?  F

Obama’s attempting to cry foul because his middle name may stir up bad connotations.  Oh well.  Sucks to be you.  Maybe if it was that important you should have gone to court and had it legally changed.

It’s not a low blow to point out a person’s name.  It’s actually been standard practice for decades now, at least since 1988.  Not sure if people knew Reagan’s middle name during the 1980/84 conventions.  But common, people knew FDR’s middle name!  And he had a GIRL’S middle name!

If your candidate is so weak in the knees he cannot handle people calling him by his full, legal name, then maybe he shouldn’t be President?

What’s Hillary known as?  Hillary RODHAM-Clinton.  Not just Hillary Clinton

She will always be Monica Lewinsky’s ex boyfriends wife. Everything she became grew out of being the wife that stood by her billy when he played with cigars. Her entire political career was predicated on increased exposure by that episode and only latter by shenanigans from whitewater.
    Eventually, her appeal as a woman (to other woman) who has ‘suffered’ marriage infidelity was rewarded latter when Billy became a lame duck. She took hold of the “woman can do it for themselves” mantra of the post ERA sentiment and started as a small time brigand. She then became the darling of the media, because her name was Clinton and she represented the people who hated the idea coming from the GOP “lets kill the Clinton legacy” with more Monica jokes.

Thats her summary of how she got where she is today.

I agree she is the most cheated on woman in America.

But honestly, she really WAS the President from 1992-2000.  Bill had to sign stuff, but Hillary’s who told him WHAT to sign and WHEN to sign it.

It’s actually a smooth move.  She’s been President for 8 years, and now, can be president again for 8 more years for a total of 16 years!

@Cmdr:

I think we need a President who will do with Israel what FDR did with England before December 7th, 1941.  We’ll sell them equipment and stay out of the bloody way and let Israel conquer the middle east once and for all.  Israel’s already proven itself capable of defending itself against three major fronts in a matter of weeks.  Why do you think terrorism was born?  The regular muslim armies had their butts (and Russian equipment) handed to them in the war!

Why would Israel ever conquer the middle east?  We shouldnt give a nation weapons to make more wars, we should give them weapons to defend themselves against our mutual enemies.  Im still against the idea of Israel as a state and I dont think its creation was a good move, but now that its happened we need to figure out a way to less hostilities towards them.  Its much like the situaton in Iraq - going in may have been a bad move, but thats the past and we need to look at the current situation.

I think Israel, at this point, has more of a right to exist where they are then any of the other nations in the area now.  If they are conquered, we can talk about them having lost that right.  However, the ultimate definition of a right to exist as a nation is if you can adequately defend yourself from invasion.  If America would get out of the way, they would be more able to defend themselves, not less.

I dont think there should be a definiton for a countries right to exist.  If it has borders and most of the world recognizes them, they are country.  I wouldnt say Israel has more of a right to be there than any other coutnry in the middle east.

We need a President who understands that and will do it.  We also need a president who will move the US Embassy to Jerusalem instead of some backwater town.  Everyone else has their embassies there, that’s where business is conducted, that’s where we should be too.

Wheres the embassy now?  I always assumed it was in Jerusalem, its kind of silly that it isnt.

As for Iraq.  The Sunnis and Shi’ites want us there.  The Kurds are coming our way too.  Pulling out now would be horrible!  We’d be snatching defeat in the war on terror from the jaws of victory!  Though, we do need to start convincing the locals that they should go to their own government to solve their problems, not American officers.  Currently our officers are acting like local magistrates and project managers to reconstruct the nation.  That’s not really their job.  But while the dust settles and the last few pockets of resistance are destroyed, they are doing the job and doing it well.

Again, I dont agree with us being there in the first place, but now that we’re in we have to do this right.  Set a timetable for withdrawl that cannot be taken back under any circumstances (or perhaps that could be taken back but only under a unanimous vote from senate).  If we dont leave under conditions like this, Iraq will continue to demand US support.  Setting up a timetable makes them get their shit in line and run their country.

That’s how the Islamic world views the American women, especially Mrs. Clinton.  That’s not a position of respect.  As such, Hillary will find it almost impossible to negotiate and, therefore, we may see an increase in recruiting efforts by the enemies of democracy and America with greater success if she is elected.

Radical Islam has no respect for any woman, Hilary is no different.

I also believe that the candidate most terrorists would like to see nominated would be McCain.  The longer the USA stay in the middle east, the more fuel terrorists have against us, ‘the infidels’, who are in their land.

As for Barry (Barrack Hussein Obama), he refuses to answer questions as to whether or not he has any nostalgia for islam or for his islamic roots.  If he cannot answer a simple question like that, how can we trust him to do more then wag a finger and call for change?

I feel like saying that last sentence is a bit unfair.  If he were to come out and say that he respects his Islamic heritage, everyone would criticize him for either bringing religion into the campaign or they wouldnt trust him with the enemy.  If he denies it, people would say he cant stick up for himself.  Apparently saying nothing at all means we cant trust him.  Ugh.

I won’t slam him for his present votes in Illinois.  It’s standard practice here to vote present if you neither agree nor disagree with the proposed plan, but rather want to try and refine it a bit more.  Most of the country is unaware of that, and I’m sure in the other 49 states, it will be used against him.

Agreed, I cant attack him for voting present.  Its also true that the average american thinks that means he cant make up his mind or hes indecisive.

In case anyone wonders WHY taxes are so important, here’s a local story:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-tax-protest_both_05mar05,0,2753998.story

Todd Stroger, possibly one of the most corrupt men in the government today, has strong armed a bill to double Cook County Taxes, making Cook County and Chicago the HIGHEST TAXES AREA IN THE COUNTRY.

The tax is not even in effect yet, and people who have jobs and incomes are streaming across the borders to Lake, Will and DuPage counties to avoid the taxes.  I’ve long done my grocery and gas shopping in DeKalb County because the taxes are much less there and it was on my route.

Increased taxes, NO MATTER WHERE YOU INCREASE THEM, are regressive.  There are no such things as progressive taxes.  Don’t let Obama and Clinton lie to you.  A tax, ANY tax, hurts the poor the most.

What do you think is going to happen in Cook County when everyone who can afford to leave, leaves?  We have entire cities seceding and creating a new county.  Not little poor cities, these are THE cities that have historically provided the lion’s share of revenue for the county.  One county official, on WLS AM 890 this morning, said that if Palatine, Barrington(s), Hoffman Estates, Schaumburg, etc leave to make their own county; then Cook County will have to shut down county sheriff departments, county medical clinics, and many PACE bus lines (which is funny since they just had to raise taxes to keep them running.)

The problem is, you raise taxes, and the middle class gets pissed the f off and leaves.  You lower taxes, and the middle class goes to your town to open their businesses in an attempt to become rich.

We can see that very clearly today.  If NW Cook County secedes (and that would include my home, thank goodness!) our taxes will stay closer to home improving OUR medical clinics, OUR sheriff offices and OUR schools and the City of Chicago will fall off the cliff into oblivion.  Soup Kitchens and children so uneducated they cannot figure out simple arithmetic nor be able to read street signs will be the norm.  (Okay, it’s a dramatization, but you get the idea.  They can’t fund things NOW and the NW provides almost 60% of their budget, without us they’d have to fund things with 40% of what they normally have - what the Feds and State will give us instead of them.  They’ll basically become unemployed and have to live on life support.)

This is NOT boding well for any candidate who calls to let the Bush tax cuts “sunset” (or in plain English - Raise Taxes!)

Hmm, oh, wait, we’re screwed.  McCain wants to raise taxes.  Hillary wants to raise taxes.  Obama wants to raise taxes.  Never mind.