Presidential Election (as a current event- watch the tone or it's gone)

I’m not justifying cheating, I am saying it is a non-issue with the body republic.

And yea, Romney’s call for a time table was more along the lines of the generals should sit down, sketch out some potential exit dates, determine when the situation is right to make pull out advisable and then keep that information under very tight security so that the enemy would never know when it was.

In other words, he wanted plans in place for what to do when we had won absolutely and what winning absolutely would be.

The dems (not including Hillary who was smart enough never to get on THAT band wagon) have called for exit dates with publicized days and times and in the immediate future.

Romney’s could have been in the year 3010.  He just said the military should make plans to leave, EVENTUALLY.  The Dems said IMMEDIATELY.  Big difference.  One is calling for our defeat, the other is calling for us to win and then leave instead of becoming permanent like we are in Germany.

@JWW:

@Cmdr:

I am the best choice for president in the world.

Now you’re talking sister! Jenn for pres 2012! Can I be the ambassador to Switzerland? I think they play AAR there?

You wouldn’t prefer Sweden?  I thought all men wanted to go to Sweden, meet the bikini-volleyball team, etc….

@Cmdr:

You wouldn’t prefer Sweden?  I thought all men wanted to go to Sweden, meet the bikini-volleyball team, etc….

I actually thought about sweden but thought that nothing (bad) ever happens in switz. I could vacation in sweden!

Jen can’t run in 2012. they have an age limit you know  :wink:
2016 maybe.

@Pervavita:

Jen can’t run in 2012. they have an age limit you know  :wink:
2016 maybe.

Actually…

The process of electing a President was set up in the United States Constitution. The Constitution requires a candidate for the presidency to be:

* At least 35 years old
    * A natural born citizen of the United States
    * A resident of the United States for 14 years

In the primary for 2012 I’ll only be 34, but by the time November runs around I’ll have been 35 for over half a year.  (April 2012 would be my 35th birthday.)

So I could run. WEG

Stand aside, Mr. Newt.  Stand aside Reagan legacy!  Let the girl through!

dat be close. i can see the argument against you now. “she is to youngh to run.”

Jen for president! :-D

Anyways Jen, Balung is right on this, Romney changes positions more often than my ex girlfriend even. I used to live in the northwest corner of CT, pretty damn close to Massachusetts, and no true conservative from MASS had anything good to say about Romney while he was Governor. He is a Republican version of John Kerry.

That being said, McCain is a closet liberal, and Huckabee is just a buffoon. We have to figure out who is not as bad as the others.

There’s true conservatives in Mass?

Wow.  Live and learn.

Anyway, my statement stands.  If McCain somehow wins this, and he’s got about a 50/50 shot right now, then I’ll vote for whomever the democrat is to send a message to the Republican party that I’m unhappy with who they chose.

Besides, after the “New Direction” with the new Congress in 2006 giving us the housing market crisis, the credit crisis, the stock market crisis and the worst congress in the history of the United States, I just CANNOT wait to see what the “change” is with the Democrats in the White House!

@Cmdr:

There’s true conservatives in Mass?

Yes there is! Alive and well. My old man LOVES newt and has told me that there isn’t a strong enough conservative running. He is the radical right in this state. Although I believe he is the only one out here!

It looks like Romney may be “gearing down” in preparation for a loss on Super Tuesday…

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080202/ap_on_el_pr/romney_35

It isn’t over until Hillary sings.  Ere, does she chant

Scale of dragon, tooth of wolf,
Witches’ mummy, maw and gulf
Of the ravined salt-sea shark,
Root of hemlock digged in’ the dark,
Liver of blaspheming Jew,
Gall of goat, and slips of yew
Silvered in the moon’s eclipse,
Nose of Turk and Tartar’s lips,
Finger of birth-strangled babe
Ditch-delivered by a drab,
Make the gruel thick and slab:
Add thereto a tiger’s chaudron,
For the ingredients of our cauldron.

Instead?  I never CAN remember.

Anyway, I think McCain is set up for a cruel betrayal when the real conservatives go vote on Tuesday.  Though, he might get an artificial boost to victory given the New Yorkers in Florida voted for his liberalness.

Hmm, I wonder what Ronald Reagan’s son would say about John McCain…oh wait, I don’t have to wonder, here’s his column!

http://www.caglepost.com/column/Michael+Reagan/5264/John+McCain+Hates+Me.html

You get the impression that he {John McCain} thinks everybody is beneath him. He seems to be saying, “I was a war hero, and you had damn well better treat me as your superior.”

Again, he runs on his war record.  Great.  But unless Presidents of the United States suddenly need experience in how to survive POW Camps in North Vietnam, I fail to see the correlation between President and man who surrendered to the enemy and was captured.  Unless it’s that he wants to surrender, but that’s about the ONLY thing he’s consistently said he does NOT want to do.

He has contempt for conservatives who he thinks can be duped into thinking he’s one of them, despite such blatantly anti-conservative actions as his support for amnesty for illegal immigrants, his opposition to the Bush tax cuts…, and his campaign finance bill which skewed the political process and attacked free speech.

Wow, a lot of conservative legislation he’s backed.  Been saying this myself for weeks now.

A prime example cited by columnist Robert Novak was McCain’s denial that he had privately suggested that Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito was too conservative, insisting that he recalled saying no such thing, adding that Alito was a “magnificent” choice.

“In fact,” wrote Novak, “multiple sources confirm that the senator made negative comments about Alito nine months ago.”

Too conservative!?!?!  If you are running for the conservative nomination for president there is no TOO conservative.  There is Conservative and Liberal.  Black and white.

In John McCain’s eyes, conservatives are the Viet Cong of this generation and he treats us as such. It’s either his way or no way.

As I said, the man is a Blue Falcon and he’s about to get stabbed like Julius Caesar on Tuesday Feb 5 if Republicans and people who “consider themselves conservative” (according to pollsters) get out and vote.

The only people really voting McCain in all these states he’s been winning are people who consider themselves moderates or liberals.  Those are the vast MINORITY of the Republican Party.  (I reference the polls I linked earlier in this or the Ron Paul thread, forget which that shows that over 50% of McCain’s votes came from moderates and liberals while over 70% of Romney’s votes came from conservatives.)

If he wins the nomination, he will give Hillary or Obama the biggest land-slide victory since Reagan.  Hell, Obama and Hillary can basically keep their war chests and not spend a single penny because McCain won’t even have a CHANCE at beating them.  There would be too strong a grass roots movement in the Republican party to sabotage him.

Of course, it might be the BEST thing for a conservative independent.  You know, political parties DO change in this country.  It has not always been Republican vs Democrat.  We had Tories and Whigs and others before.  No reason a McCain nomination couldn’t lead to the first Libertarian President in the United States.  Especially since we were pretty much ticked off with Congress for failing to support our leaders and throwing them under the bus every 5 minutes.  Now, with the Dems in charge of Congress, we have NO respect for them.  Given the latest polls, I don’t even think their own families support them as good Congressmen anymore.

I heard on Fox News earlier today that on the “conservative ranking” based on past actions that is done by some conservative group (I do not remember all of the details) that McCain scored an 83, which was quoted as being “Conservative Hall-of-Fame” for most Republicans.  I think they said Reagan was only an 86, Bush 41 a 79, and Bush 43 a 72.

I wouldn’t rank Bush Jr. nor McCain that high.  I’d put Jr at about 50 and McCain at about 30.  That’s assuming it’s out of 100 and that the percentage they do not have represents how liberal they lean.

In other words, I view Bush as a moderate.  Neither fully engaged as a Conservative nor fully engaged as a Liberal.

McCain, on the other hand, seems to be MUCH more engaged with the Liberals and the Democrat Party as a whole then a Republican or conservative.  You just don’t see bills that say Hastert-McCain or McCain-Blunt (Roy Blunt, MO, is the Republican Whip right now.)

But you see A LOT of legislation where he teams up with a liberal and works to further the liberal’s legislation by putting, ostensibly and on paper at least, a republican’s name on it too.

This group is seen as very reliable, and they look at the whole record, not Rush soundbites.

That is probably where the discrepancy is arising…

I don’t have Rush’s sound bites, but I don’t need them either.  I remember 2000 and I remember all the cr@p McCain has supported SINCE 2000.

If this group gave him an 83/100 then this group is self deluded or using data that is no longer relevant to what he is doing today.

Or, maybe he got an 83/1000, then they could be spot on.

McCain is no conservative. It is utter nonsense to even consider him as one. One cannot look at bills such as McCain Feingold and consider them conservative. Being a Republican does not make one a conservative.

It is from the American Conservative Union, and the actual stat is 82.3%
You can see all of ACU’s rankings here.
http://www.acuratings.org/

Even Michael Savage re-posted info regarding it, apparently in agreement with it.
http://www.savage-productions.com/McCain_Conservative_Rating.html

I see McCain, but you have to take into consideration they gave Dick Turbin, ere Durbin and Obama relatively high Conservative scores too.

Not exactly an agency choice that engenders warm feelings in the cockles of my heart.

I do not see Romney though.  Then again, Romney isn’t in the House nor Senate and the ACU appears to only be rating House and Senate.

And, for the record, I don’t care what Savage says or does not say.  I don’t follow radio personalities, I make up my own mind and follow my own mind based on the facts.

The facts are, McCain only works with Democrats.  He does NOT work with Republicans.  Maybe he’s voted a couple of ways that lean conservative, but he’s hardly been the champion of conservatism.

THANK YOU SWITCH!

Doing my McCain is too a conservative dance

ah, the success of reality.  it always wins.

so can we say it now

McCain wins

he s the man this year 8-)