Italy Sneaks Germans In??

@all-encompassing-goose

Though if Japan could take India, they would’ve taken Yunnan already.

It’s virtually the only way to move from Europe to China.

@JDOW said in German airbase in Holland r1:

Good idea but not worth the 15 IPC. Taranto isn’t that bad for Axis and many top players avoid it and rather stack 92 in UK1 to preserve the fleet in sz98.

Very true. Not worth it, and has 0 long term value. Seems tempting, but not. Also not worth it, but is better, about G3 AB in yugo. I think you want the allies in the med compared to 110 or Norway as axis

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Yep! Hit Spain and Turkey at the same time. You are obviously not going to DOW neutrals if Italy has Egypt / middle east or if Japan is a monster. At the same time you are not going to Norway either under those conditions either.

Spain is a perfect shuck, easy to defend port, and you only have 1 fleet to defend. Great way to close out the game.

Wow never considered sending jap forces into the Middle East. Figured the would always have their hands full in the pacific. also sorry to teslas. I was not saying the plan was bad or you need to go to the Middle East. Just saying that it was an option for good income.

1  Buy infantry/rt round 1,
Kill france with all available ground, try to keep tanks and mechs
Kill 106, 110, and 111 (maybe try to bb strafe 111) might be forced to land some stuff in holland if u did not take the berlin tac as a casualty.
Take out yugo with enough to 1 shot it or try to strafe it for italy.
  Take bulg and finland while stacking slovakia with everything from berlin and from poland
  Land hungarian/poland air in south italy
  Stack 112 if you can do it safely otherwise, go for 113, drop denmark garrison in norway

2  Buy at least 1 dd and 1 sub to handle the russian sub and the NO then either more slow, or mech/tank
Kill 97 if uk has stuff there, or other med navy
Kill surviving UK navy if you can
Kill Normandy unless u want italy to have
  Land in alex if italy stacks there
  Send tanks and mechs from france to yugo
  Put every ground unit in range on to Romania
  Berlin units to poland
  Norway units to finland

3  Buy all fast (maybe a replacement plane or some boats aswell) preferably mech heavy
Declare on Russia
Stack bess heavy
Kill poland and baltic if you can do it cheaply
Kill karelia and vyborg, if high novgorod garrison, go to karelia light untill he moves out
If russia pulled back out of novgorod and belarus, u might be able to stack poland/karelia heavy
Kill russian sub if it sits in 125, have your sub in 125 to cancel NO
So if you can stack both bess and epl safely, then thats good, just stay focused on bess.
  Non-com berlin fast to epl or Romania
  Check on how much air you need to help italy
  Make sure italy is getting some units to follow your army to can-open for you.

4  Buy more fast, maybe some slow to help garrison western europe if you have to.
Kill west Ukraine
Stack Ukraine heavy!!
Kill bela and novgorod if possible
Try to have italians in range of can-opening rostov
  Shuffle more fast units east
  Use navy/air accordingly
  keep sending italian fast units to russia, 3 or 4 tanks/mechs would be nice to have with the germans.

5 and Beyond
Have italy can-open rostov so germany can fight for volg and cauc, stack bryansk of possible, keep russians in moscow.  Eventually, you will have russia stuck while you have moscow surrounded on at least 3 sides.  With germany making around 80, you can start pressuring persia while japan is pressuring india, eventually, India or Persia will fall.  The longer you can keep italy going the better.  Try to invest in destroyers if you can with scramble ready in south ita, this makes italian navy hard to hit.  Make sure, you hold west germany, and berlin at all costs, watch out for the denmark opener followed by UK berlin attack. Fast units in west germany with slow in france can help counter a normandy stack.

If the allies are heavy in the atlantic, then you will need japan to kill india asap and maybe pressure russia.  If allies are all pac, then that is more you can spend on russia.

Darn it - someone has correctly pointed out that the bombers in central US could hit z109 but they could not hit z110!

So I recalculated a couple of these and adding 1 carrier with 2 fighters landed on it gets the odds of an Allies win down from 100% to 70.2%; adding 2 carriers with 3 fig and 1 tac gets it down to 7.1%.  So it seems that 2 carriers would probably do the job most of the time, but that’s still an awful lot for Germany to spend.

Apologies for my oversight.

Gargantua,

This tactic does sound like it can hurt the Russians.  I have been able to sack Moscow as Germany in the games I played but it is very hard and I don’t always succeed.  There have been other games where I died in the Russian Winter.

I don’t think I could use the Italian aircraft against the opponent I play because he is usually pretty adamnent about reducing Italy to next to nothing before he strikes anything else.  On UK1 he sinks half of my Italian fleet.  Which hurts a lot but the main problem is the US fleet he pulls out of the Pacific and sends into the Med along with some subs and transports to end Italy’s war efforts in Africa.  Meanwhile he flys fighters to Hawaii and transports Infantry there.  It would still be possible to take out Hawaii as Japan but would take a lot of resources for very little economic gain.

I have countered by trying to win the game as Japan and I have killed India J3 with the purchase of the Hainan Naval base.  Yet even then by the time I set my sights on the last victory city Italy has been stomped to irrelevant and the US is back in the Pacific.

Clearly ShadowHAwk does not understand what I am talking about.

1. Attacker has only subs
2. Defender has destroyer and subs

In this case defending subs fire first and any hits are assigned to attacking subs. The attacking subs who are hit do not fire back! hence the term surprise defence!

To my knowledge this is the only situation where  the defending side roll dice before attacker!