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https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/39302/farmboy-allies-19-vs-simon33-axis/77?page=4

Pejon_88 (Allies+19) over Simon33 (Axis) BM4

https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/39291/pejon_88-allies-19-vs-simon33-axis-bm4-game-2/75?page=3

jkeller - trulpen 0-1

My opponent, @jkeller, has not been seen online here since the 2nd of August. Hence there’s not bee any activity in our OOB semi final game for over 14 days. This means I may claim a victory by default according to the league rules. I think I have to do it, so this playoff may proceed. The other finalist has been waiting now for some time and probably wonder what we’re up to.

This is rather unfortunate, especially since I was away for a long time earlier due to suffering from cancer and chemo therapy (still do). I communicated this with my opponent, who was understanding and considerate. A frustrating situation, but the pause might in a benevolent light be considered an ill-gotten vacation.

I’m not particularly happy to claim this victory on these grounds. My opponent is a very strong player and I believe I’d most likely lose the game if it continued. My mind was set to a loss and avoiding it is not my reason for moving forward. Hope the community understands and especially also jkeller if/when he gets back here again.

@trulpen said in Post League Game Results Here:

jkeller - trulpen 0-1

My opponent, @jkeller, has not been seen online here since the 2nd of August. Hence there’s not bee any activity in our OOB semi final game for over 14 days. This means I may claim a victory by default according to the league rules. I think I have to do it, so this playoff may proceed. The other finalist has been waiting now for some time and probably wonder what we’re up to.

This is rather unfortunate, especially since I was away for a long time earlier due to suffering from cancer and chemo therapy (still do). I communicated this with my opponent, who was understanding and considerate. A frustrating situation, but the pause might in a benevolent light be considered an ill-gotten vacation.

I’m not particularly happy to claim this victory on these grounds. My opponent is a very strong player and I believe I’d most likely lose the game if it continued. My mind was set to a loss and avoiding it is not my reason for moving forward. Hope the community understands and especially also jkeller if/when he gets back here again.

I have no idea why JKeller has not posted since August 1, 2022. I can verify, unlike the statement on his profile (below), that he was online 14 days ago. He sent me a chat regarding the resumption of the playoff game you are referring to as I had reached out to him as to why the game had been suspended (also below).

I have no ruling right here, however it just seems to me since he gave you from July 27, 2022 to September 9, 2022 to post your Turn; a total of 44 days, you would provide him with the same courtesy before claiming victory.

@gamerman01

Hey guys I’m sorry for the lack of communication and activity. I have been really busy lately and had to place my games on the back burner. I am wrapping up some things shortly so I should be able to resume play soon but if you need to move on with the playoffs and forfeit me due to inactivity I completely understand. As much as I love this game unfortunately my boss and my wife do not share the same affection😂. So actually I appreciate the consideration but I will go ahead and forfeit as I need to focus on other things in my life for now at least. In a couple weeks hopefully I can start playing again.

@gamerman01 said in Post League Game Results Here:

In other words, many of us would like to see a partially completed game in the semi-finals completed to the best of each player’s ability, and that’s worth waiting for. But that makes me realize that if AA Andrew wants the game to be called for trulpen, he actually should have that right, so check with him too if you haven’t already.

@gamerman01 I would greatly prefer to wait as long as it takes to play someone who won a game versus someone who won via a forfeit.

@jkeller said in Post League Game Results Here:

So actually I appreciate the consideration but I will go ahead and forfeit as I need to focus on other things in my life for now at least.

Great to see you back here! Sorry to hear about the troubles in life, although it’s perhaps not the worst kind.

I can definitely revoke my claim, but as I understand it from the quote above jkeller agrees to forfeit and finds it the best solution. I’ll ask by PM to make sure.

I will go ahead and play out the game for the integrity of the playoffs if that’s okay. I don’t think forfeiting mid-match or mid-series during a playoff would be an acceptable action in any other competitive field so I apologize for even mentioning it and I also apologize for the delay though as mentioned it was not as long as yours so I think the right thing would be for us just to finish the game. Without any bumps or messages I guess I was just focused on other things and lost track of the time. But I will go ahead and continue now if you agree.

I have considered this from many angles and find it’s difficult to find an obvious correct choice. Have finally come to a conclusion I will stick by.

I feel jkeller’s stress from family and work. Real life should always take priority and continuing this game will add to his stress load. From our communication I know that his main reason for continuing the game is the pressure from the community.

I’m dying of cancer and would actually really like to take part in the final of this playoff. Don’t think I’m actually a worse candidate even though I’ve messed up this game in some ways and been quite unlucky in others. Can’t work atm and A&A is one of the things that brightens my day, even when Marti screws me over.

I also come from the culture of playing competitive chess. These games are not identical of course, but actually quite similar in many ways. Anyway, when it comes to time control I can say that when playing a tournament or championship game there’s no one who wouldn’t claim victory when the opponents time runs out even if you’re in a completely lost position. Many even prefer to play games out in order to try to salvage a draw (which is much less likely in this game), which however silly it might seem is fully allowed and not to be questioned. Chess is however much more black and white.

Trying to considering everything, I’ll try to help jkeller out with his more important issues in life and still claim the victory based on the 14 day rule. Doing this despite him changing his mind and being prepared to continue the game, which in some ways definitely would be for the best.

This really sucks in some ways and I’m prepared to take the condemning judgment from the community. I mean, I’m actually dying, so who cares?

@trulpen

I am cool with whatever to be honest. I would prefer to play out the games normally but I understand your reasoning as you are in quite a predicament and I am very sorry to hear about your health situation—that really sucks. My own situation is fine; no real problem and either way it wouldn’t be really affected by this game one way or the other.

I didn’t know you played chess that’s cool. I also played competitive chess when I was in high school (attained uscf chess master) and still play online (2400+ on lichess and chess.com) and it’s always good to meet a fellow chess player. I have to ask though as a chess player can you call a flag on a player when your own flag has been down quite some time?? 😜

Simon33 over Sovietishcat, BM4

https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/39286/sovietishcat-allies-12-vs-simon33-axis-bm4/80?page=4

@jkeller said in Post League Game Results Here:

I am cool with whatever to be honest. I would prefer to play out the games normally but I understand your reasoning as you are in quite a predicament and I am very sorry to hear about your health situation—that really sucks. My own situation is fine; no real problem and either way it wouldn’t be really affected by this game one way or the other.

I’m glad you don’t feel offended and carry hard feelings. Thank you also for the empathy.

I didn’t know you played chess that’s cool. I also played competitive chess when I was in high school (attained uscf chess master) and still play online (2400+ on lichess and chess.com) and it’s always good to meet a fellow chess player. I have to ask though as a chess player can you call a flag on a player when your own flag has been down quite some time?? 😜

I got an Elo of about 2000. Perhaps we could have a game or two on either site, although I suspect you’ll wipe my sorry ass as always.

Actually, a game would continue as long as there is no call for a fallen flag. I appreciate your lenience when it came to asking about the game and giving space, and am truly sorry that I don’t return the favour. Nothing personal though, if anything the opposite.

@trulpen

I learned a lot from playing you and am happy you are able to play in the final

@trulpen said in Post League Game Results Here:

This really sucks in some ways and I’m prepared to take the condemning judgment from the community. I mean, I’m actually dying, so who cares?

Trulpen – First off, I want to be upfront and say I don’t like you. Based on our previous gaming experience I think you are a liar, unethical and not a good sportsman. Normally, I would not say this out loud in public, it is not my way. I think each person should judge a person on their own experiences and not mine. I say this just so you and everyone will know my true feelings and not think I have a hidden agenda in not playing against you because I don’t want to play against you. Having said that…

Don’t Do This…

You are making a mistake. I understand you are dying, and you feel somehow playing in this playoff will bring you some happiness. Maybe, even help your reputation for making it into the finals of PTV, BM3 and OOB all in the same year. I don’t think that is what is going to happen.

By your own statements you are taking advantage of a forfeit rule that was certainly never intended to be used this way. Your opponent gave you 44 days to make a move. Per the rules you are only allowed 21 at the maximum. You should have been forfeited. You are losing the game and perhaps you could come back but it is obvious to everyone that you are purposely using the forfeit rule to advance. You did not PM your opponent to ask them to take their Turn, you did not even BUMP them once to remind them to go. You waited exactly 14 days in silence hoping your opponent would not go so you could claim a forfeit.

Again, Don’t Do This…

I say this because this is not going to make you happy. In a moment of bad judgement, you are making a mistake. You still have time to reverse your statement and make amends for that temporary lapse in judgement.

Unfortunately, I have been around a lot of people dying. My Father, Mother, Brother, Sister, and Son have all died of Cancer. Plus, earlier in life I spent a lot of time in Nursing Homes visiting people and playing games with them to brighten their day. While some were very angry at dying, universally they all had the same experience… they wanted to be better people at the end and make amends for the mistakes and regrets they had in their life. I don’t know if there is something after we pass. Maybe we are just dust or maybe there is an afterlife. Whatever is true, it seems people want to be better at the end to find peace.

While I do not like you, and I know a few others have told me they feel the same, my impression is that overall, the Community here likes you. They feel you are better than average Player who has won a lot of games and is usually nice and friendly. Is that not the way you want to be remembered?

Here in America, there is a famous person called Benedict Arnold. His name has been vilified in history because he turned against his own people during the Revolutionary War. When someone feels betrayed by you, they will call you a Benedict Arnold. In actuality, Benedict Arnold was a great Commander for the Revolutionaries and won some important battles for America. He was, for all purposes, a great General. But at the end he turned against his country and now I would say 98% of people have no idea he was a great general. All they know is he was a traitor.

Do you want to be remembered by the Community as the guy who used the forfeit rules to sneak into the OOB playoffs because he was dying? Or do you want to be remembered as a better than average Player who won a lot of games and was usually nice and friendly?

It is not too late to do the right thing; it is never too late to do the right thing.

@andrewaagamer said in Post League Game Results Here:

Trulpen – First off, I want to be upfront and say I don’t like you.

Eloquent and thorough as always.

It’s ok. I don’t like you either. Although I’m quite certain that your dislike for me is far greater than mine is for you.

I don’t mind much that you trash talk me here in the forum. You are entitled to express your opinion. It’s probably even a good thing to ventilate.

However, your little exposé did not change my mind of the present issue much. One can never be loved by everyone. C’est la vie.

Yours truly,
Benedict Arnold

I would encourage both of you to shut the f up. This has no place in the forum what so ever. i hope gamerman01 can end this.