Global 2nd edition Q+A ( AAG40.2)

Subs are warships - just not surface warships (see the heading under Sea Units on p. 31 of the Europe rulebook).

@matttodd1 ok. Thanks for that clarification

@gamerman01 said in Global 2nd edition Q+A ( AAG40.2):

I can’t find the rule(s) that tell about:
When a unit of one ally is on another ally’s transport - can the ground unit amphibiously assault from the ally’s transport when it is his turn?
If so, can the defender scramble against it? If so, what if the attacker has no naval or air units in the zone to support it? Does the defending fighter stop the amphibious assault? Surely it doesn’t destroy anything… (the offloading ground unit or the ally’s transport)?

Thanks - somebody asked me and we weren’t sure, and now it’s applicable in my game. Seems like it wouldn’t even be a very rare situation…
For anyone reading, I understand there may be a house rule for “balanced mod 4”, but I am playing “balanced mod 3” and I believe it uses the 2nd edition rulebook for this situation.

I scoured the 2nd edition rulebook in what I thought were all the applicable sections, and I couldn’t figure out how to apply them to amphibious assaults from ally’s transports - I only saw the rule that says you can share aircraft carriers and transports with your allies… Thanks!!

So I have this situation in one of my games, potentially. It is BM4. I am wondering…what do you mean by “I understand there may be a house rule for “balanced mod 4"”? I know it’s been awhile… I appreciate any guidance you can give!

Yes that was over 2 years ago, but I can answer.

Only difference between BM4 and BM3 is 14 cost bombers
BM3 uses 2nd edition rules for generally most things, including this. So there are no “house rules” for BM4, where I wasn’t sure about that in 2022

So, pretty sure you can amphibiously assault off an Ally’s transport on your turn (see Krieghund’s reply).

I know for sure a scramble stops that assault (see Krieghund’s reply to that old post)

@gamerman01 Thanks for the quick reply!

Hello A&A community, quick question about a specific scenario that I cannot find clarity on in the rulebook. Playing G40, US attacks SZ 95 where Italian navy and German U-Boats are located. I know that U-Boats can submerge as US Navy has no destroyers. But here’s where I am lost … If I submerge the U-Boats which would mean certain destruction of the Italian navy there, then UK Navy move to SZ 95 for an attack which includes destroyers, would the German U-Boats (combined with scrambling Luftwaffe from Southern Italy) be defending against the UK navy and the US navy boats that are there or just the UK navy which is attacking on its turn?? The answer is crucial for my current game as we are playing with Captain’s house rules where U-Boats are lethal.

@Trout - On UKs turn, only the UK ships are attacking. Any US ships in the sea zone are ignored in such an attack, on UKs turn.

@matttodd1 Got it. Thanks for the prompt reply!

If an unfriendly neutral is attacked but not conquered, I’m pretty sure that enemy air units may land in it without enemy land units to activate it. However, I’ve had a look and I can’t see where that is clearly stated in the rules - seems implied but is that it?

@simon33 said in Global 2nd edition Q+A ( AAG40.2):

If an unfriendly neutral is attacked but not conquered, I’m pretty sure that enemy air units may land in it without enemy land units to activate it.

Correct.

However, I’ve had a look and I can’t see where that is clearly stated in the rules - seems implied but is that it?

It’s just landing in a friendly territory.

Rulebook Europe 1940.2 page 11:

“Unfriendly Neutrals
…
When a neutral territory is invaded, it’s no longer considered
neutral and immediately becomes hostile to the alliance
of the power that attacked it and friendly to the opposing
alliance.
…
If the attack upon the formerly neutral territory is unsuccessful
(the territory is not captured), any remaining defending units
stay in the territory but can’t move. The territory remains
uncontrolled (place a national control marker on it face
down to indicate its new status) but is considered friendly to
powers on the side it’s now allied with. Units belonging to
those powers can move into it and take control of it and its
remaining units in the same way as if it were a friendly neutral.”

That could be more clearly written IMO.

@simon33 Note that while air units on the side of the formerly neutral territory may now land in it, they cannot take control of it. Land units are required for that.

This has probably been asked before but had questions about neutrality restrictions and purchases.

1. When Japan is at war with the Soviet Union, can Japan enter Soviet territories on the Europe side of the board when SU is not at war with Germany/Italy?
2. Can SU enter UK/France/ANZAC territories when the SU is at war with Japan, but none of the UK/France/ANZAC are at war with Japan?
3. Whenever there’s a game where America has to declare war to enter the war (like it had to wait until end of turn 3), can it buy more than 9 units on the turn it is allowed to declare war, or are they still restricted by the 3 unit placement per minor IC?
4. If America enters the war because of a J1 or someone else declares war on it first, can America buy 10 units per IC the first turn it takes after going to war or does it have to wait until the next turn?

@Suppressmeajumma

1. Yes.

2. It can on the Pacific map, but not on the Europe map (unless also at war with Germany or Italy).

3. As it cannot declare war until the Collect Income phase, it is still restricted.

4. Its industrial complexes are upgraded immediately when it enters a state of war, so they can be used on its first turn after another power declares war on it.

G1 - two subs attack SZ 109. UK scrambles 3 fighters into 109 to try to take out the subs.

Germany attacks first and hits - destroyer is removed from board. Lets say UK misses all or one hit - now the battle is over since planes can’t hit subs without destroyer present.

1. What happens to the UK transport in this situation since there was a scramble? Does it go down with the destroyer or do the scrambled fighters keep it alive?

2. UK sends transport/destroyer from Canada to SZ 109 and rather than ignore and land troops, destroyer initiates attack with the support of fighters. Lets say subs get a hit, so destroyer is gone. If transport is still alive, are they still barred from offloading (since destroyer gone and no longer escorting) even though sub/s submerged to end scramble battle? Or does the transport go down with the destroyer?

3. No scramble. Destroyer and sub/s take each other out. What happens to transport?

@dazedwit

1. The transport is lost, as subs remain with no opposition.

2. Assuming that United Kingdom and Scotland are still held by the UK, the transport should be moving in noncombat movement, so this question is moot. However, if this were an amphibious assault, the transport, being an attacker, would be able to retreat if it survived the first round of combat. Note that if all of the defending subs either submerge or are destroyed, there would be nothing to retreat from.

3. Nothing, as the battle is over (assuming the transport itself was not hit during the battle).

Can Japan NCM into German held, originally soviet territory on the Europe map when not at war with USSR? I think so.

@simon33 It cannot. While not at war with Soviet Union, Japan must treat it as a neutral power. This means it cannot enter either original Soviet territories or Soviet-controlled territories on either map. See page 36 of the Pacific Rulebook.

@Krieghund Can you amplify that answer? It can’t attack Soviet territory but I don’t see why it can’t move in to a German owned territory, even if originally Soviet.

“Due to its separate treaties with Germany and Japan, the Soviet Union is in a unique position in its relationship with the Axis powers. As a result, if the Soviet Union is at war with Axis powers on only one map, it is still under the restrictions of being a neutral power (see “Powers Not at War with One Another,” page 14) on the other map, and Axis powers on the other map are also still under those restrictions regarding the Soviet Union on both maps. For example, a state of war with only Japan lifts the neutrality restrictions from the Soviet Union on the Pacific map only, and allows Japanese units to attack or fly over Soviet-controlled territories on either map. However, the Soviet Union is still restricted on the Europe map, and Germany and Italy must still treat the entire Soviet Union as a neutral power, and may not move units into or through any original Soviet territories or Soviet-controlled territories. At the same time, Allied powers may move units into or through Pacific original Soviet territories and Soviet-controlled territories, but not European ones.”