Converting to KJF

@crockett36

Not a bad plan, KJF could be seen as the latter approach to winning the game for the Allies though the same political system that Japan stands by still hurts the Americans to do so.

Japan doesn’t have to go to war with the Allies on J1, automatically leaving the Americans unable to do anything initially and any concentrated navy in say the Hawaiian Islands wouldn’t be a stretch for Japan to kill off with their large mass of planes.

For me, I typically bring the fight to Germany for the most part, but all the same I don’t leave Japan open to do whatever they want in the Pacific. While I have operations going on in the Atlantic, I build up a small force of American Units, I build up my navy having hoped that Japan does not destroy it and basically act as a disruption to Japan. Part of what I mean by this is instead of going all out in the Pacific taking it to the Japanese, I do minor inconveniences for them and setbacks like going as far as quickly destroying a newly built navy in the Sea of Japan as well as getting some of their Kamikazes off the board as well.

All in all, the vast size of the Pacific and the constraint of the Americans have to cross that vast size can typically make their fighting ineffective against Japan but having played your cards right, and caught Japan off guard at the right time and you can do some serious damage to the Rising Sun Empire.

@crockett36 The Bad thing about this strategy is that a Sealion could occur, and the UK will need a decent amount of US builds towards the Atlantic if London is hoped to be taken back!!!

@crockett36

Sorry it took me so long to get back to you, I had my hands full with some stuff.

Anyway, I think you’re headed in the right direction, though I feel like ‘reserves’ is a bit vague and too open to interpretation since that could mean anything and it’s going to take a bit more than building a few ships to beat back the Empire of the Rising Sun.

So what i’ve developed is a simple philosophy I call the “Carrier Race” which can be used for the Japanese or Americans. Basically, this philosophy involves what the name states… of the race to build Aircraft Carriers.

Personally, I’ve found that when Japan or America industrializes Aircraft Carriers, they typically prove incredibly dominant in the Pacific. And the reason for this is because when the Japanese and Americans clash in the Paciific, it is mainly islands, which as you know tanks don’t prove very useful on islands, but you can’t just bring in infantry and artillery to take back important key strategic islands like the money islands, so having carriers with fighters in close support proves incredibly useful for taking out Japan’s sphere of influence.

And thats where the solution stands, since it’s more than likely that you could lose your aircraft carrier and your battleship by a J2 Pearl Harbor with Japan having 4 aircraft carriers by that time to do it. So this would REALLY set your Pacific campaign back by a lot. All the same, you could keep your navy on the coast of California though that kind of defeats the purpose of doing a KJF tactic.

A typical build I like to do is I usually build 2 carriers and a battleship on A1 which can be diverted in the Atlantic or Pacific whatever you plan to do. Or you could build 3 carriers which could be overstepping the boundaries but it wouldn’t be too much of a stretch.

Either way, the Pacific can be an absolute headache for either Japan or America to deal with depending on the circumstances and obviously the rolling of course, but who knows.

@nolimit

Frankly even if they didnt go after Japan, it’d just be the same thing only Japan is doing it.

Both Germany and Japan have the ability to inflict their will upon the Pacific/Atlantic and the U.S. needs to take the appropriate measures to counter both of these guys at all costs.

@crockett36

Definitely a more interesting and bare bones way of going about fighting the Japanese…

So many years back when I was still playing mini 1941 edition with a buddy of mine, we always had the Battleship race to see who as America or Japan could get the lead in battleships since that was the way to win the Pacific. Having gone from 1941 edition to Anniversary, America was capable of building 2 battleships a turn making me stumped as to how this was fair until I found the catch as to which carriers were the way to go.

I’ve done the math, and a whopping 2 battleships matches up to a carrier with 2 fighters on it, which as you know is not cost effective.

As for not buying capital ships… I’m trying to see a scenario of how this works out for the US. America not buying ANY capital ships? 0 battleships and 0 carriers?

So to be completely exact, America begins with 5 planes on the Pacific side of the board. Each of these planes is capable of reaching Wake Island as expected, you can even bring a bomber if you’re really tryna jazz up the airforce. All to which can reach Midway or Wake Island on Americas first turn. Now, seeing as there are 4 frickin’ fighters just chilling in one spot with like, no ground forces acting as backup, I as Japan won’t have attacked on J1, have built like 2 transports the firs tturn or a transport and a carrier to hold more fighters.

Now assuming you move your navy to Wake to protect from an amphibious assault, you’re effectively throwing you’re navy out the gate since Japan starts with a far stronger navy then the Americans, and as for subs well… destroyer. That’s all it takes to make any surprise strikes completely incapable as well as the mass amount of Japanese planes that can then strikea the submarines with access to destroyers. So I really do not know why the IJN would run from this fight… the potential to bring in 4 aircraft carriers, 2 battleships, 2 cruisers, 4 destroyers, 2 submarines, and like 4 to 5 transports of units all crashing down on Wake Island, only for the entirety of your navy to be destroyed, not only that but the only airforce you had in the Pacific.

Also, there really isn’t anything stopping me from taking Wake Island and Guam even on a J1 attack and setting up a Japanese sphere of influence with the large naval presence to go along with IJN blockers to prevent you from making amphibious landings…

I mean, I’m not saying anything’s impossible, but if America doesn’t build capital ships then they’re gonna die… they’re sailors are gonna die, and they allies are gonna’ die. There just isn’t any other way of countering the large IJN naval presence then to fight guns with even bigger guns.

@crockett36 That just means you’re giving ITALY a Free hand in the Med+Africa by devoting needed units away from the Taranto Raid and N Africa, with the US going Full KJF then ITALY becomes a Monster together with Germany!!!

@nolimit said in Converting to KJF:

@crockett36 That just means you’re giving ITALY a Free hand in the Med+Africa by devoting needed units away from the Taranto Raid and N Africa, with the US going Full KJF then ITALY becomes a Monster together with Germany!!!

That’s the way it should be with if Italy had correct leadership. Its more fun when Italy and Russia shows up instead of getting beat up most times. Just more fun for Italy and Russia players. Just saying.

@gen-manstein Not so fun for RUSSIA if the US goes KJF, the Russians need the diversion of US+UK Allied units in W Europe if the European Axis are to be contained!

@nolimit said in Converting to KJF:

@gen-manstein Not so fun for RUSSIA if the US goes KJF, the Russians need the diversion of US+UK Allied units in W Europe if the European Axis are to be contained!

Thats why you LL to Russia each turn and those allies figs can fight else where and no bid needed.

@gen-manstein We’re talking about oob rules here not house rules, hence why a KJF would be hard on Russia…

@nolimit said in Converting to KJF:

@gen-manstein We’re talking about oob rules here not house rules, hence why a KJF would be hard on Russia…

I know. Killin me !

Once u put in a bid it’s no longer oob. It’s a house rule game now.

@nolimit

Yeah well all the same if America doesn’t prioritize Japan then Japan’s gonna go frickin’ nuts in the Pacific and just swallow up any IPC’s the Pacific Allies had and win the game for the Pacific so you’re left with the 2 choices of which is the better way to strike at the Axis.

Hence why at the end of the day, the Axis have the optimal advantage over the Allies. The United States can’t definitely pick one side of the world to fight on over the other without major loose ends to deal with to which the game is being threatened with an Axis victory.

@thedesertfox Which is why a KGF is the best way to go, especially if there’s a Sealion- just make sure that Sydney+Hawaii is stacked up with units and make Calcutta a very costly win for the Japanese!!!