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gamerman01

Whether it would have been sportsmanlike or nice of JWW to grant the re-do is another issue.

But the bottom line is, no player can expect any re-do’s. Technically, when you roll dice, your combat move, in it’s entirety, is locked in. When you post at the end of the turn, you are locked in. Technically you don’t have the right to expect your opponent to allow you to make a single non-com or placement edit after that, even if it’s 15 seconds after that (that’s about as fast as Triple A can do it).

You can only go back in time when your opponent allows you to do that, and yes small courtesies are often extended, but the opponent of a player who made a mistake has zero responsibility or obligation to grant requests.

The league IS a site for standardized competition, complete with rules and moderators, and not being able to go back in time without permission is rule #9

I understand some will have the opinion that JWW is a hard-ass, and that’s fine, but no one has any obligation to bend rule #9 for their opponent’s benefit. Ever.

Zhukov44

Personally I come from the face to face and Abattlemap world where edit�s, redo�s, and the like simply didn�t exist.

I think there may be some “cultural divides” here. There is a divide between league/ladder play and live play, where (the former) is about accumulating stats (for prestige) and taking advantage of opponent errors to accumulate those stats is all in the game while the latter is basically about having fun and winning on wings of an opponent’s error is anti-climatic. And there is the tradition of Battlemap play as well as PBEM play where “checking” the map to make sure all your units and your opponent’s units are exactly where they are supposed to be, is also part of the game. Finally is a tradition universal to PBEM play, including the TripleA ladder, that once combat dice have been rolled, editing moves made before those dice have been rolled is at the opponent’s discretion.

If we take all this into account I think there’s no basis for criticizing JWW for refusing the edit in this instance. Like Me1945 said, he shouldn’t have to explain himself.

I believe Pherman when he says he didn’t notice that the units were on Alg not Mor and that flaws in the TripleA interface are the reason he didn’t catch it. Otherwise he wouldn’t have wanted the edit. Most of us have been in that position, asked for the edit, and been pissed off if our opponent doesn’t grant it….but…if combat dice have been rolled since the error occurred it’s all in the game. Reviewing the map to catch those mistakes are part of the game and part of the league competition. We’re all human; we all make mistakes. Part of succeeding in the league (as well as in war) is minimizing those mistakes.

gamerman01

Perfectly said, thanks, Zhukov

Mallery29

@Mallery29:

@Mallery29:

Mallery29(Axis) over Procas(Allies)……

will continue if comes back, especially with game early on, but it’s nice to have Egypt as the Axis and be able to hold it for once (I’m tired of getting my #%#$ pushed in there as the allies!).

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=36334.30

sorry

Wanted to make sure not lost in the thread! Thanks!

dawgoneit

15L BerntBernt (Axis) vs. Dawgoneit (Allies +18) BerntBernt wins
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=36420.60

gamerman01

@Mallery29:

Wanted to make sure not lost in the thread! Thanks!

I think I got it, Mallery, but maybe I got the Axis and Allies mixed up

Are you 1-1 with Procas now, or 2-1? That will help me clear it up

Mallery29

I’m 2-1 right now! :-D

Adam514

Sorry for another post about this but I didn’t think it would be considerate not to reply to JWW.

Do I really have to explain how something legal can not be right? Alright I’ll be quick: someone on the street asks for directions and you intentionally point him in the wrong direction.

The rules, similarly to the law, are there to prevent the would-be cheaters and edit abusers etc from having their way with people. It serves as a base, upon which some people can build to establish an honour and trust system. That’s how I perceived the league when I joined in any case.

Yes the units were in the right territory lol, but you seem to be missing the point, which is that they appeared to be in the wrong territory. Would you want your opponent to extend by a significant amount his time doing his turns for something as silly as verifying that all the units are in the correct territory? I’ve trusted my opponents to allow obvious edits, and if I see something weird about my opponent’s moves relating to a possibility of confusion (something like between you and Pherman), I won’t hesitate to ask about it. I wouldn’t want to win because of something like that. I’ve seen my fair share of UK players inadvertently sending their fighters on S Italy or in Malta, things happen that are sometimes beyond our control.

I’m aware of the Territory tab, but I use the battle calculator instead. Indeed it was no one else’s fault other than Pherman’s for not seeing the units in the right territory, but that mistake is so understandable that I wouldn’t even be close to debating if I should allow the edit, let alone laugh at it.

I’m pretty sure most would agree that a minimum of respect should be given to anyone until they have proven that they aren’t worthy of respect, but whatever.

The fact that you say that it’s only a game goes both ways, and from my perspective the fact that it’s a game should make it even easier to allow edits. Seems intuitive enough.

I never said it was your fault at all for the error and it really isn’t, how you handled afterwards is more than questionable in my opinion though.

Yes it wasn’t game ending at all, but I certainly wouldn’t want an opponent that would laugh at my edit request like that. Like I said before this conversation is to make it known to those who care so that this kind of thing doesn’t happen again.

The rationale is very simple: common sense and honour. If my opponent asks for an edit a few turns down the line that wasn’t prompted by my moves or dice for example I’ll be just fine allowing it. If he abuses it though that’s another story.

Yes I’ve lost because I’ve overlooked things or miscalced things or didn’t see something. I wouldn’t ask for an edit or a redo since I could have reasonably done better, so this is different from the game between you and Pherman.

Ah well I guess I understand where you’re coming from if you started off with limited edit possibilities (doesn’t excuse your way of handling it of course), but one last question though: if Pherman had taken your refusal of the edit ‘‘like an adult’’, would you have enjoyed the rest of the game? Would you think that the game was won through your skill?

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