I don't get it… Can someone help me out here?

@wheatbeer:

@Gargantua:

What I completely fail to understand is why the school/government/church gets blamed for things like disease?�  The Child death rate was probably DOUBLE for first nations children that didn’t go to residential schools…�  At at the same time, my grandmother almost died of the same spanish flu, watching many of her own friends pass.

The state is responsible for any inadequate conditions (which can directly relate to mortality rates) because those children became wards of the state for all practical purposes.

I would be very interested to know if the child death rate was actually higher or lower in residential schools. It’s ridiculous to assume “probably DOUBLE” without any source to back that up.

My sentiment comes from the fact that there were GROSS problems BEFORE the residential schools, and that’s why the government requested the church to come in to try and “help” these people.

The problems first nations children faced existed long before settlers even arrived in the new world.

And that said, the challenges the world faced at the time, -like the spanish flu- were overwelming…

The 1918 flu pandemic (January 1918 – December 1920)[1] was an unusually deadly influenza pandemic which infected 500 million[2] people across the world, including remote Pacific islands and the Arctic, and killed 50 to 100 million of them—1 to 3 percent of the world’s population[3] at the time—making it one of the deadliest natural disasters in human history.

As for “learning new languages” I was FORCED into learning F-ing french. A community that’s farther from me than RUSSIA. But you don’t see me in a bread-line asking for the money out of your wallet.

And please excuse the government for trying to teach these children to read, or rather, understand what there parents are widely quoted as calling “the magic of the talking paper”.

I have researched extensively on this topic, and at the next model parliament IN the legislature I’m going to run a party of young people that abolishes the indian act.  RACIAL legislation that “first classes” one group of people over another based entirely on their “ethnicity and race”.  You can rank with those who want to defend racial debt slavery, I choose to rank with those who believe in real equality.  Excuse me for having enough.

Yeah, natives have some current cultural issues with alcohol and substance abuse issues.

These are not current issues, they are 400 year old or more issues.

Don’t get me wrong, Residential schools were a bad idea.  We should have left these people to their own end.  And filth.

Oh, and everyone in the government 70 years ago is dead…

So I’m still not understanding why this tragedy is MY fault? and why I personally get targetted for reparations? and why my thoughts in general are socially censored or considered uncooth?

There are Canadians, and then there are “first” nations. We/YOU serve them. � Make no mistake.

I’m not ok with being anyone’s slave, except Jennifer Love Hewitt.

IN OTHER NEWS / MORE OF THE TRUTH
http://www.canada.com/mobile/iphone/story.html?id=7980597

Canadians now see truth behind First Nations chief
Monday, February 18, 2013
By Mary Lou Nordstrom, The Daily News

Chief Theresa Spence’s worst fault was to breach Voltaire’s ‘Liberty, Equality and People’s Rights’ on the Attawapiskat Reserve.

And the next one was her hunger strike was for money and she had medicinal tea, lemon water and fish soup.

Attawapiskat has 1,500 people the size of a Canadian Hamlet. It differs in unpaid elected mayor and council. Chief Spence paid herself $70,000 a year tax free, Clayton Kennedy, town manager $310,000 a year tax free.

With 21 full paid politicians, its own health authority, school board, power corporation, development corporation, and a corporation to run the hockey rink for which they purchased a Zamboni-like machine for $96,000 during a housing crises. In 2007, Band Manager George Lanouette was paid $173,000 tax free and Mike Gull $126,000 tax free as technical services manager.

About $450,000 a month pours into Attawapiskat as welfare payments. They own nine million in stocks in Apple, Disney and Chinese cell phone companies. In 2011 they spent $200,000 on gifts and $36,000 on goose hunting. Wayne Turner spent $68,000 in travel expenses in two months.

Under Harper’s government, Aboriginal Affairs spending has increased from $6.1 billion in 2006/2007 to $7.9 billion in 2012.

By blocking the road to De Beers diamond mines, Chief Spence is cutting off Attawapiskat’s cash cow from which they have received millions, or is this holding De Beers up for more money?

Sadly Chief Spence brings shame on her fellow Canadian First Nations who are trying to rise to equality, liberty and people’s rights on and off their reserves. The blinders are off, Canadians now know that Chief Spence has enough money, when well managed to shed the reservation system and become free of our Paternalistic Indian affairs government.

I wish all the Attawapiskat people a better life with equal rights.

Mary Lou Nordstrom Nanaimo

@variance:

@MrMalachiCrunch:

Let’s be clear on this. A law was passed that required you to hand over your children to the state to be educated according to the state wishes not your native ways.

Anytime the state intervenes and tries to do social engineering it always backfires due to the corruption of individuals on both sides who take advantage. I think what Gargantua is saying is that everyone should be treated equal. A society without racism is one where everyone is treated equally by the same laws. No preferential treatment for whites; no preferential treatment for Aboriginals or any other group. All are created equal.

This.

What’s wrong with Equality Mal? Why do you insist on holding up RACE based legislation? That’s so last century man…

The UN definition of genocide does not require the plan be to kill everyone but to destroy a culture. That was EXACTLY what the plan was, to destroy the native culture by making a law that ALL native children be raised by the state.

Actually, the plan (which went terribly wrong) was to educate first nations so that they could be integrated into society…

You see, we arrived in what 1492?

All of the 1500’s - First nations did not adapt
All of the 1600’s - First nations did not adapt
All of the 1700’s - First nations did not adapt
All of the 1800’s - First nations did not adapt

After 400 years of not adapting - and almost being WIPED OUT. The government took the pains to try and do something for first nations, and to try and modernize the culture for it’s own sake.

You have to look at the whole picture here Mal. Ironically the residential school system is the reason we have First Nations doctors and lawyers and so on today.

After 400 years of leaving these people to their own end, on average - they still couldn’t read, and children received NO formal education. This was a big problem. Think about where people who cannot read often are today.

All that said, first nations are hardly the ONLY group who has had their kids taken away from them to go to schools. Your own children have to go to school by LAW for 30 hours a week. OR YOU GO TO JAIL. And I’m guessing you’ve never heard of the Doukhobors?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doukhobor

These -white- folks went to JAIL after having their children stolen from them. In-fact, the government made them their own prison no more than an hour’s drive from where I grew up. But you don’t see the Doukhobors receiving -equal- support, simply because their skin happens to be the wrong colour.

Racism is wrong Mal. Please stop supporting it!

The reason I take this issue so seriously, is because everytime a band of natives goes and blocks a road, or blames the -white man- or accusses -the canadian public- of stealing their land, and burning their talking sticks. All Canadians get victimized.

I don’t think you’re understanding where I’m coming from Mal.

I want to leave these people alone and to their own ends. Today. Right now. They should be able to live however they want to. The canadian public does too. In fact, the most successful referendum in our entire nations history, was a decade ago in British Columbia, when the government asked the public if they would be in favour of phasing out ALL first nations treaties, procedures, and policies provincally. It recieved some 80+ %. Then the government did nothing :S.

But to leave these people alone - as they deserve, That means we stop sending money. But everytime we talk about stopping the money, First Nations block roads, bridges, railroads, businesses and terrorize the Canadian people. People today live in fear of speaking out against injustice committed by First Nations, lest they be called Racist…

You realize that the money spent on Indian affairs over the last 100 years, is roughly equal to our ENTIRE NATIONAL DEBT right?

It’s almost dollar for dollar, by the time you calculate +/- interests.

The reality is, these people DON’T want to be left alone, if it means the free money stops. That’s the issue at issue here.

I need to clarify.

There were NO TREATIES in British Columbia, until the Nisga treaty in the mid 1990’s.  Which was imposed on the citizens of British Columbia without their input.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/aboriginals/bc_treaty_referendum.html

The Treaty Referendum I mentioned, was to allow “British Columbians” to have a say in the treaty process.  Of course the CBC link I’ve cited suggests it’s “racist”.

I don’t see how letting people have a -say- in a treaty process is -racist-.  But that’s the world we live in today.

For those of you who don’t know, CBC is also known as the “Communist Broadcasting Centre”.

The Indians don’t get to retroactively change treaties in their favour

Actually, that’s exactly what they are trying to do.  I seem to recall hearing Theresa Spence say that first nations legislation was “out of date”.  Yet at the same time, cling to a 300 year old treaty.

It’s time to phase out the special race based privledges, and release the citizens of canada from the second class citizenship slavery they live in.

And don’t get me started on the language police…

Native bands in B.C. say their land was taken from them without treaty, negotiation or payment. Native groups have therefore claimed most of the province as their ancestral home.

For the record, 107% of British Columbia is claimed as native land.

107%, how is that possible you ask? Because the different tribes have overage claims on each other, because for this 10 year period, or that 20 year period, they “felt”, their “oral history” implied they owned larger areas.

@MrMalachiCrunch:

Theresa Spence is a crook from what I see.

Exactly! And we’re her victims.

That’s what I’m talking about!