Imperious leader’s new innovative combat system for all AA games

@Faramir

That’s an interesting way of looking at it. Thank you !

Thanks for the reply, we have given 1941 a try a couple times. Both times we declared a draw after about five hours.  :-P :oops:

I’m hoping for a game variation that takes you normal people 1.5 hours, so maybe we could get through it in an evening.

I’ve been doing a little testing:

Use the Pacific side of a revised map (I have never gotten 1942, but we do use the ruleset from 1942)

Set it up like 1941.

All income is divided in half.

Russian troops only defend.

Played this a couple times against myself. I run into problems with the victory conditions tho. I played that if a power could capture and hold Hawaii, East Indies, and the territory with Shanghai for a turn they won. It has proved too hard tho, Hawaii is a beast to take even for a strong Japan if Japan is also going to hold off India. Shanghai is nearly inaccessible for the allies.

I did like the simplicity this game setup introduced. Purchase decisions can become as simple as “destroyer or sub?” On the other hand, if the games takes 25 rounds, it won’t be any shorter.

Any input/suggestions?

What about the old AA guns as light AA, 1 die roll, and the new ones as heavies, 2 die rolls?

Thanks for the feedback, guys. I thought the B&W background would keep the chart in line with the WWII era, while also allowing the magnetic color roundels to stand out when placed.

@Pjor:

The second unit is Heavy Tank. A:3 D:3 M:2 cost: 9.
This unit will represent the heavy late-war tanks. Examples are the Soviet Josef Stalin tanks, British Churchill and German Tiger tank. Aside that it function as a normal tank it will rise it’s attack value to 4 if it’s combined with a mechanized infantry OR tactical bomber.

Tanks already Attack @3, Defend @3 and Move 2 for a cost of 6 IPCs. “Heavy” tanks should attack and defend @ 4 if they will cost 9 IPCs.
Also, there has been discussion in other threads that “Heavy” tanks should only move 1, or at least can not Blitz. This is due to the fact that they are so big and heavy. For example: The King Tiger tank was a very tough tank but was also kind of big and cumbersome. Part of that problem was that the engine was underpowered so they just couldn’t go very fast at all. However, if the movement is cut down to 1, perhaps the cost should also drop to 8.

One member came up with a pretty good formula to figure out the cost for land units: Attack + Defense + Movement - 1 = Cost.
For an example, say Heavy Tanks at 4-4-2-9. This works out perfectly. Attack 4(4) + Defense 4 (8) + Movement 2 (10) - 1 = Cost 9.
Now try Artillery: Attack 2 (2) + Defense 2 (4) + Movement 1 (5) -1 = Cost 4.
It actually doesn’t work for tanks since they changed the values to 3-3-2-6. By the formula, tanks should cost 7. Some have argued that OOB tanks should be considered “Medium” and should only defend at 2, which would fit the formula 3+2+2-1=6. Unfortunately, others say if you lower the defense to 2, then cost should go down to 5, which screws up the formula again.
Personally, I would be fine with Medium tanks at 3-2-2-6 because it also allowes for Tank Destroyer units (currently being put out by HBG) that would switch Attack/Defense values (2-3-2-6).

By the way, this formula does NOT work for aircraft or naval vessels. I don’t know if anyone has figured out a formula for them yet.

How about giving the Cruiser an AA roll of 1, or 2 on a 12d system! Keeping everything else the same! This would make the cruiser a little better buy and not be overpowering in a naval battle but would be an excellent carrier escort.

Ok it seems not that cheap to buy miniature pieces or the 2nd edition from ebay due to shipping costs all the way to Australia.

I now plan to buy another copy of the Revised edition and use permanent markers to draw a line or two on the pieces. Shouldn’t be as messy as painting or spraying.

@Micoom:

Germany had Already Radar in place to defend the “Atlantic wall” in Early 1941, long before “Barbarossa” would begin… So Radar shouldn’t be a UK advantage at all in a 1942 scenario. Only in a 1939…

We are working here on a Historical edition for A&A, so for this game timelines are essential and therefore more important then game flexibility, IMO.

Germany had short wave radar only, hence did not pick up a signal on airplanes being long away and the warning was too late sometimes!