Re: Field Marshal Games Pieces Project Discussion thread

[knp7765]

From the pics I have seen on HBG’s site and his Facebook page, the size looks to be compatible to OOB and FMG pieces, maybe even more so to FMG since I think they are just slightly larger than OOB.  Coach hasn’t gotten any finished color examples yet and exact color matching is very difficult, but I’m pretty sure he will get them color compatible as well.  Plus, since the HBG pieces are meant as a supplement to the FMG sets, it probably wouldn’t hurt if the color shading wasn’t 100% exact.  Basically, FMG is making the major part of the armed forces and HBG is making more specialized units.

Dang it!  Now I’m as anxious to see HBG’s pieces as I am to see FMG’s pieces.  Plus the new combat dice!  There is just too many things to want!  I’m going crazy with wanting stuff now!

[cminke]

same but you probably have money

[cminke]

hey fmg if i pre order the italy now(this weekend) will i get the first batch? or is that offer over? same w/ the combat dice

[radar231]

@cminke:

hey fmg if i pre order the italy now(this weekend) will i get the first batch? or is that offer over? same w/ the combat dice

Ditto

J.  8-)

[HBG]

@knp7765:

From the pics I have seen on HBG’s site and his Facebook page, the size looks to be compatible to OOB and FMG pieces, maybe even more so to FMG since I think they are just slightly larger than OOB.  Coach hasn’t gotten any finished color examples yet and exact color matching is very difficult, but I’m pretty sure he will get them color compatible as well.  Plus, since the HBG pieces are meant as a supplement to the FMG sets, it probably wouldn’t hurt if the color shading wasn’t 100% exact.  Basically, FMG is making the major part of the armed forces and HBG is making more specialized units.

Dang it!  Now I’m as anxious to see HBG’s pieces as I am to see FMG’s pieces.  Plus the new combat dice!  There is just too many things to want!  I’m going crazy with wanting stuff now!

Mine will be compatible with OOB size and color. I will have some more pics next week! Follow the updates on my facebook page. I also give away monthly prizes on facebook! “Cminke” won this month!!!

[cminke]

woot!..thanks to tiggerman667…again…THANKS!  ill probably be buying sunday!.  also i need to know just how “GREY” the Grey Germs are

[HBG]

@cminke:

woot!..thanks to tiggerman667…again…THANKS!  ill probably be buying sunday!.  also i need to know just how “GREY” the Grey Germs are

The grey from the revised game are close to the shade of FMG grey dice.

[hweston]

Tomorrow is the first of June, so what is going on with our orders. Do we have another unexpected delay, or is victory just around the corner. I think as investors of a sort we are entitled to some kind of update good or bad. :?

[FieldMarshalGames]

@hweston:

Tomorrow is the first of June, so what is going on with our orders. Do we have another unexpected delay, or is victory just around the corner. I think as investors of a sort we are entitled to some kind of update good or bad. :?

Delays delays delays…  but I am told the FINAL samples will be delivered to me on Monday.  Please await pictures and production ETA.

[hweston]

Thank you Appreciate the information.

[knp7765]

@FieldMarshalGames:

Delays delays delays…  but I am told the FINAL samples will be delivered to me on Monday.  Please await pictures and production ETA.

I thought you showed us a picture of the final samples back on May 20.  Are you talking about actual complete sets delivered to you Monday?  Oooh, I’m shivering in anticipation.

Hey, on the tanks and armored cars, the ones with moveable turrets.  Do they come to you in two pieces and you have to put them together?  Or do they put them together at the factory before shipping to you?

[GoSanchez6]

Gosh I hope the other nations move smoother than the Italians. I am starting to lose my patience. FMG you have to be screeming the F word every time these guys have another delay. Stick with it I am sure they will be worth it.

[FieldMarshalGames]

This is more complicated that you think.  After all the wait and delays on getting the sculpts correct (you can see the revision history) and then making the mould (which had a defect and had to be redone), we then had to test different types of plastic.  Make the plastic to hard… you keep more detail but the peices become brittle, make it to soft, you lose detail and the units become to “bendy”.  The latest delay came from experimenting with several different types of plastic.

IN ADDITION, changing the type of plastic you also have to change the pantone (colour) code you use to match the dice.

This is all very complex and time consuming but it is the process required to make sure we deliver a product we can be proud of and that will stand the test of time.

[FieldMarshalGames]

As posted in the CALL TO ARMS thread, the pre-orders did not have a definitive release date.  It was made expressly clear that this was a INVESTMENT to aid the project.  All funds from pre-orders were spent on the mould and the process and I do not have these funds any longer.  This was a community based project and would not have happened if these investments were not made.

Paypal only allows refunds to be processed after 60 days of purchase.  A refund is no longer possible to a Credit Card etc…  If I am forced to process ANY refunds past the 60 days, it will be minus the Paypal processing fee that is non-refundable to us.  In addition, only those who made pre-orders will get product at the discounted rate of the pre-order, with the free set of ITALY dice, AND get some from the first batch that will be rushed AIR FREIGHT to us.

A new set of pre-orders will be posted once the product is released and these people will have to wait for thier product to arrive via OCEAN SHIPMENT in a container from overseas.

Please accept my apologies and understand our position on this. It was clearly posted as a PROJECT SUPPORT PRE-ORDER.

[Rorschach]

@Stickman:

<snip of=“” all=“” the=“” quotes=“”>Although posted as a PROJECT SUPPORT PRE-ORDER, Field Marshal Games has continued to support the idea that these Italian forces were in production and near to being completed. I will await one more month in good faith however after that I will seek a full refund, not through PAYPAL but through small claims court if need be. I’m sorry Jeremy but after reading all the excuses I can’t help but think that we are being led astray a bit. Whatever came of your supposed trip to the factory? And, after all this you still choose to deal with this company? Also why in the world are you already working on USA when the Italians aren’t yet done? Something really smells fishy here.</snip>

And this is precisely why companies do not do community based projects and never give out any pre-release information or allow any pre-production input.

Believe me, FMG is as frustrated as anyone at the delays that are out of their hands.  Why continue to deal with this company?  Because of the massive investment already made that would be LOST 100% if they cut it off now.  Investment that nobody can afford to lose!

And the US sculpts are being worked on because, as previously shown, the German sculpts are already completed (and sent off to produce the mould), so WHY on earth would anyone want him to hold off and wait, wait, wait some more when continued sets can come out faster by being prepared earlier?

[Tigerman77]

No you didn’t just quote Kenny Rogers!  LOL , WOW!!!

[DFWSupertrooper]

If it weren’t for FMG this likely wouldn’t have happened at all.  I for one am THANKFUL to have these guys doing all this legwork and putting up with all the ney-sayers and production BS that I don’t have the time to.  These guys sacrificed a LOT to get this going in time and energy as well as I am certain personal funds.  Being a part of this is equivalent to being part of an IPO, also an American concept.

A few years back, I wanted a certain car that was a special production vehicle - were there unexpected delays?  Of course.  Factory re-tooling, parts back-orders, etc.  Was it worth it the day I drove it off the lot and stepped on the gas?  You better believe it!!  :-D

The point is, we all made a choice to bet on these guys and the product they’re putting together for people like us - I’ve waited 15 years for custom A&A pieces so a few months is painless - I am confident that the other nations will move MUCH faster once the bugs are worked out and the money is rolling in - that’s business.  Sorry you’ve lost patience dude…hang in there and I’m sure it will all be worth it.

[Rorschach]

@Stickman:

So you are saying it’s better to lose the whole investment than to save half of it? Only a few countries have been sculpted now, it’s going to take years at this rate, and that would be a bust!

I’m holding for another four weeks but after that I will expect a FULL refund for a product not delivered. That is my right, I live in America you know. :)

No, it’s better to KEEP the whole investment.  And it will most certainly not take years.  The hurdle is the first set, as evidenced by FMG actually COMMUNICATING with people (Other companies that you would invest in a pre-order of this kind are more likely to say “Thank you for the money, now … when it’s ready we’ll let you know.”).

As you can plainly see yourself, with Germany and the US sculpts already complete/near completion your comment about how long it’s going to take to finish this project is fallacious at best.  Italy has been a hurdle.  Once those hurdles have been overcome, everything else is a breeze.

And, honestly, can you have the “right” to a full refund for a product not delivered when no delivery date was promised?  They WILL deliver them as soon as they are here.  He’s stated quite specifically that the first batch of Italian units will be AIR MAILED (rather than the slow and ponderous Sea freight) and sent immediately to the pre-order customers.  Yes, numerous potential completion dates have been given … but only based on what FMG has been told themselves.

[Imperious Leader]

Why don’t people just wait for these pieces?

They take time to produce just the perfect set. WOTC can’t do it and they are a huge company that basically messes up every game they produce.

FMG has always stood by a philosophy of not releasing stuff till its perfect, while WOTC makes games they push out the front door without playtest or the wrong pieces, or some other screw up.

Instead of getting a refund, order more sets and buy them as Xmas gifts…You people have to support them in any way you can and just let them get the job done.

Once they mail out the pieces, it will be like gang busters and they will sell out quickly as all the other peeps start buying them up to make other games. Consider them an investment, much like AA50 was. How in the hell can a few measly bucks burn a hole in your pocket that you can’t wait for them?

They will sell out and you people will have to buy them for 3 times the money on ebay and remember this post. I warned you.

[radar231]

Hello Jeremy,

I am willing to substitute Stickman for one or two full set of Italian units at 29.95$ each. Just let me know how I can send you the $ by Paypal. Cheers

Jacques  8-)