2020 Championship: axis-dominion vs ksmckay (+22)

[ksmckay]

@axis-dominion Whether or not I am the first to ever try it I dont know but I never saw anyone else use it. Been trying to think through something to do about it now but at this point there just arent any options other than hiding and let Japan have fun.

I think your record against me is pretty one sided when I have been axis, but I think I have done pretty well against you as allies so we will see.

Will give up and go with my best effort later tonight.

[oysteilo]

Please describe to the crowd. Whats the big deal? Its a J3 DOW and Japan will save all trannies (i guess).And?

[ksmckay]

@oysteilo Force allies out of position, save all transports, easily take down every axis target on J3 and retain/attain complete control of pacific with basically no sacrifice on Japans part. Whats not to like?

Not impossible for that to happen with other openings if allies are played in some silly way but there is basically nothing allies can do to prevent in this case. Not saying its game over but definitely puts Japan into a fantastic position - no luck required. And J3 is great for europe as well.

[JDOW]

@oysteilo I agree. Also, Allies get something in return: Anzac saves tranny, Guam fig can be evacuated, India gets a ton of extra money (I prefer taking Sumatra, too).

[axis-dominion]

@jdow said in 2020 Championship: axis-dominion vs ksmckay (+22):

@oysteilo I agree. Also, Allies get something in return: Anzac saves tranny, Guam fig can be evacuated, India gets a ton of extra money (I prefer taking Sumatra, too).

not sure how the Anzac tp will be saved, it can’t escape in time with a J3. but Japan on the other hand saves all of its own tps. Guam fig is ok, but there are of course tradeoffs. india gets a good amount of money, but then America doesn’t. Germany and italy have more time and freedom as well.

[Avner]

This match is to be followed as a Champions League final :)

[ksmckay]

@jdow Saving the anzac tranny isnt a given - where can it go and stay safe?

the rest of what you are saying is true of all J3 DOWs. So one is welcome to debate J2 vs J3 but this is a specific J3 opening and I think you would be hard pressed to come up with a better J3.

[oysteilo]

@ksmckay if you ARE THAT worried about this why dont you put two armor and two mech in Kasakstan and 2 fighters and 1 tac in moscow round 1? instead you run away from szechewan with your tail between your legs?

[ksmckay]

@oysteilo sounds like you have it all figured out, not certain why you bothered asking a question, I’m sorry for responding.

[ksmckay]

TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 2

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 4.1.0

Game History

Round: 2

    Purchase Units - Americans
        Americans buy 2 carriers, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Americans

    Non Combat Move - Americans
        1 mech_infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from Western United States to Central United States
        1 bomber moved from Western United States to Eastern United States
        1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
        1 mech_infantry moved from 26 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands
        1 fighter moved from Guam to 26 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from Wake Island to 26 Sea Zone
        1 cruiser, 2 destroyers and 2 submarines moved from 54 Sea Zone to 63 Sea Zone
        2 mech_infantrys moved from Central United States to Western United States

    Place Units - Americans
        1 carrier placed in 10 Sea Zone
        1 fighter placed in Eastern United States
        1 carrier and 1 destroyer placed in 101 Sea Zone

    Turn Complete - Americans
        Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 54 PUs

    Purchase Units - Chinese
        Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
        Chinese buy 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Chinese
        1 fighter and 2 infantry moved from Shensi to Hopei
        7 infantry moved from Shensi to Suiyuyan

    Combat - Chinese
        Battle in Suiyuyan
            Chinese attack with 7 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Chinese roll dice for 7 infantry in Suiyuyan, round 2 : 2/7 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Suiyuyan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Suiyuyan
            Chinese win, taking Suiyuyan from Japanese with 7 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
        Battle in Hopei
            Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry
            Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Hopei, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Hopei, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Hopei
                Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Hopei, round 3 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Hopei, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Chinese lost in Hopei
             retreated to Hopei
            Japanese win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -6
            Casualties for Chinese: 2 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Chinese
        1 fighter moved from Hopei to Tsinghai

    Place Units - Chinese
        4 infantry placed in Suiyuyan

    Turn Complete - Chinese
        Chinese collect 6 PUs; end with 6 PUs

    Purchase Units - British
        British buy 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific buy 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - British
        1 infantry moved from Shan State to French Indo China
              UK_Pacific take French Indo China from Neutral_Axis
        1 fighter moved from 92 Sea Zone to 94 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from Gibraltar to 94 Sea Zone

    Combat - British
        Battle in 94 Sea Zone
            British attack with 4 fighters
            Italians defend with 1 destroyer
                British roll dice for 4 fighters in 94 Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 2.00 expected hits
                Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer in 94 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 destroyer owned by the Italians lost in 94 Sea Zone
            British win with 4 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer

    Non Combat Move - British
        1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Tanganyika Territory to Egypt
        1 cruiser and 1 destroyer moved from 76 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to 71 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 71 Sea Zone to 81 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 81 Sea Zone to Egypt
        1 infantry moved from Rhodesia to Tanganyika Territory
        1 infantry moved from Eastern Persia to Persia
              British take Persia from Neutral_Allies
        1 infantry moved from India to West India
        1 infantry moved from Sumatra to 41 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 41 Sea Zone to 79 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 79 Sea Zone to West India
        1 destroyer moved from 37 Sea Zone to 79 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Burma to India
        1 infantry moved from Burma to Shan State
        1 infantry moved from India to Burma
        1 infantry moved from 81 Sea Zone to Egypt
        1 infantry moved from Gibraltar to 92 Sea Zone
        1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 92 Sea Zone to 86 Sea Zone
        1 infantry moved from 86 Sea Zone to Brazil
              British take Brazil from Neutral_Allies
        1 carrier and 1 cruiser moved from 92 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Gibraltar
        1 mech_infantry moved from Eire to United Kingdom
        1 fighter moved from Iceland to United Kingdom
        1 bomber moved from Iceland to Gibraltar
        1 battleship and 1 cruiser moved from 123 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
        1 battleship moved from 54 Sea Zone to 63 Sea Zone
        3 fighters moved from 94 Sea Zone to Egypt
        1 transport moved from 92 Sea Zone to 86 Sea Zone
        1 fighter moved from 94 Sea Zone to Gibraltar

    Place Units - British
        1 mech_infantry placed in Union of South Africa
        1 airfield and 1 factory_minor placed in Egypt

    Turn Complete - British
        Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 3
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 119 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,2
            Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 106 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,1
        British collect 27 PUs (3 lost to blockades); end with 27 PUs

    Place Units - UK_Pacific
        7 infantry placed in India

    Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
        UK_Pacific collect 23 PUs; end with 23 PUs
        Some Units in India change ownership: 7 infantry

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : -0.67
Italians regular : -0.33
Japanese regular : 1.00
British regular : 0.00

Savegame

[ksmckay]

@axis-dominion just an FYI that I dont ever plan on leaving the UK bb alone and abandoned. So if you see it so, I would appreciate a reminder as I tend to forget to move it until Anzac rolls along.

[axis-dominion]

@ksmckay said in 2020 Championship: axis-dominion vs ksmckay (+22):

@axis-dominion just an FYI that I dont ever plan on leaving the UK bb alone and abandoned. So if you see it so, I would appreciate a reminder as I tend to forget to move it until Anzac rolls along.

of course

[axis-dominion]

TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 2

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 4.1.0

Game History

Round: 2

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Politics - Italians
        Italians takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians
            Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Italians and Russians from Neutrality to War
            Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and British from Neutrality to Allied
            Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and UK_Pacific from Neutrality to Allied
            Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and ANZAC from Neutrality to Allied
            Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and French from Neutrality to Allied
            Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
            Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral
        Italians takes Political Action: Political Action Italians To War With Chinese
            Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Italians To War With Chinese: Changing Relationship for Italians and Chinese from Neutrality to War

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Bessarabia
              Italians take Bessarabia from Russians
        1 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
              Italians take Eastern Poland from Russians
        1 transport moved from 99 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 96 Sea Zone to Malta
        1 transport moved from 99 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Alexandria to 98 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 99 Sea Zone to Crete
        1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Belgian Congo
              Italians take Belgian Congo from British
        1 artillery moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to French Equatorial Africa
              Italians take French Equatorial Africa from French

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in Crete
        Battle in Malta

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        1 artillery moved from Syria to Iraq
              Italians take Iraq from Neutral_Axis
        1 battleship and 2 cruisers moved from 99 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 95 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry moved from Alexandria to Tobruk
        1 infantry moved from Kenya to Italian Somaliland
        1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to French Equatorial Africa
        2 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Romania
        1 artillery moved from Yugoslavia to Romania
        2 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Romania
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Northern Italy to Romania
        1 aaGun moved from Yugoslavia to Romania
        1 aaGun moved from Yugoslavia to Romania

    Place Units - Italians
        1 transport placed in 97 Sea Zone
        1 mech_infantry placed in Northern Italy

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Italians collect 18 PUs; end with 19 PUs
        Objective Italians 4 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Italians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 21 PUs
        Objective Italians 5 Control Convoy Lanes: Italians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 24 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

[axis-dominion]

sorry, I might make a small change with italy. hold up (but shouldn’t affect franz)

[axis-dominion]

TripleA Turn Summary: Italians round 2

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 4.1.0

Game History

Round: 2

    Purchase Units - Italians
        Italians buy 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 

    Politics - Italians
        Italians takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians
            Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Italians and Russians from Neutrality to War
            Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and British from Neutrality to Allied
            Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and UK_Pacific from Neutrality to Allied
            Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and ANZAC from Neutrality to Allied
            Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and French from Neutrality to Allied
            Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Allies from Neutrality to Friendly_Neutral
            Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Russians and Neutral_Axis from Neutrality to Unfriendly_Neutral
        Italians takes Political Action: Political Action Italians To War With Chinese
            Italians succeeds on action: Political Action Italians To War With Chinese: Changing Relationship for Italians and Chinese from Neutrality to War

    Combat Move - Italians
        1 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Bessarabia
              Italians take Bessarabia from Russians
        1 armour moved from Slovakia Hungary to Eastern Poland
              Italians take Eastern Poland from Russians
        1 transport moved from 99 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 96 Sea Zone to Malta
        1 transport moved from 99 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from Alexandria to 98 Sea Zone
        2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 98 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
        2 infantry moved from 99 Sea Zone to Crete
        1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to Belgian Congo
              Italians take Belgian Congo from British
        1 artillery moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to French Equatorial Africa
              Italians take French Equatorial Africa from French

    Combat - Italians
        Battle in Crete
        Battle in Malta

    Non Combat Move - Italians
        1 artillery moved from Syria to Iraq
              Italians take Iraq from Neutral_Axis
        1 battleship and 2 cruisers moved from 99 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 95 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone
        1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 mech_infantry moved from Alexandria to Tobruk
        1 infantry moved from Kenya to Italian Somaliland
        1 infantry moved from Anglo Egyptian Sudan to French Equatorial Africa
        2 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Romania
        1 artillery moved from Yugoslavia to Romania
        2 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Romania
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Northern Italy to Romania
        1 aaGun moved from Yugoslavia to Romania
        1 aaGun moved from Yugoslavia to Romania

    Place Units - Italians
        1 transport placed in 97 Sea Zone
        1 mech_infantry placed in Northern Italy

    Turn Complete - Italians
        Italians collect 18 PUs; end with 19 PUs
        Objective Italians 4 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Italians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 21 PUs
        Objective Italians 5 Control Convoy Lanes: Italians met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 24 PUs
        Turning on Edit Mode
        EDIT: Removing units owned by Italians from Eastern Poland: 1 armour
        EDIT: Adding units owned by Italians to Bessarabia: 1 armour
        EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Savegame

[axis-dominion]

plz accept latest. just moved tank to Bessarabia from e.poland

[axis-dominion]

actually one more small change in Europe, hold up

[axis-dominion]

never mind, it’s good now

[JDOW]

@ksmckay I see ur point now.
AD positioned the fleet J2 in a way the Allies cannot bring their fleet in position to kill TTs after J3. True, this makes the J3 tough to deal with. I haven’t been confronted with this yet so not sure whether the Allies can give the Axis tough choices by eg putting boats in 54 or 39 or by using blockers.
Also, can Allies build Usa1 in a way they stack 54 and, if being attacked, have a counter?
Assuming usa builds eg 2 subs and maybe a bomber? Just throwing some ideas in. Sounds like an interesting challenge to find an appropriate response to this Japanese opening.

[oysteilo]

I understand my comment above waa too much. I apologize for that. Some beers involved. Enjoy your game