Subs, Destroyers, MAP and other ships

To @HBG-GW-Enthusiast

Question 1 : Yes you move these destroyers during combat, but the owner of the submarine has the option to decline combat.

Question 2 : You have to move all your ships during either combat or non-combat. A CV has an attack value of zero but still can be taken as casualty, so you can move it during combat move as any other vessel.

In your example, nothing prevents you from moving it also during non-combat, as the submarine will not have the option to engage during non-combat.

Question 3 : The MAP range restictions apply to carrier-based aircraft. That is only possible if the CV and planes were one sea zone away.

Question 4 : Yes they can. Same range restrictions apply to MAP.

@noneshallpass Super helpful, as always!

GHG has stated in his video that if a carrier with aircraft on it moves, then the aircraft have to stay on the carrier. That helps clear up my confusion and eliminates the need for my proposed errata.

@noneshallpass said in Subs, Destroyers, MAP and other ships:

To @HBG-GW-Enthusiast

In your example, nothing prevents you from moving it also during non-combat, as the submarine will not have the option to engage during non-combat.

Wait. I’m not sure about this. If I move 4 destroyers into a sea zone and the submarine submerges, then during non-combat I can treat that sea zone as empty? Could I move beyond the submarine then to another further sea zone? If my CV is two away from the submarine, the destroyers enter during combat movement, the submarine submerges, then I could move the CV through the submarine to even a sea zone three away?

Why not. Sub submerged in combat. Now cv can move through in non combat

Why doesn’t your destroyers not get a depth charge shot on sub submerging ?
Or is there another 5 rules for that ?

@gen-manstein Defending submarines can only be killed by aircraft in MAP, unless they choose to participate in naval combat (Rules 8.9 and 9.10).

@hbg-gw-enthusiast said in Subs, Destroyers, MAP and other ships:

@noneshallpass said in Subs, Destroyers, MAP and other ships:

To @HBG-GW-Enthusiast
Wait. I’m not sure about this. If I move 4 destroyers into a sea zone and the submarine submerges, then during non-combat I can treat that sea zone as empty? Could I move beyond the submarine then to another further sea zone? If my CV is two away from the submarine, the destroyers enter during combat movement, the submarine submerges, then I could move the CV through the submarine to even a sea zone three away?

Yeah, now that you mention it, I may be confusing with the A&A rule that Enemy submarines may be ignored if they are the only naval units in the sea zone. I can’t seem to find the equivalent in Global War rules.

@gen-manstein said in Subs, Destroyers, MAP and other ships:

Why not. Sub submerged in combat. Now cv can move through in non combat

Do you have a rules reference that if a sub submerges in the combat phase then, during non-combat movement, that sub can be ignored?

You could use screening forces to move a separate fleet to some other combat, but I don’t think you can do non-combat movement through a sea zone containing a submarine.

@hbg-gw-enthusiast said in Subs, Destroyers, MAP and other ships:

@gen-manstein said in Subs, Destroyers, MAP and other ships:

Why not. Sub submerged in combat. Now cv can move through in non combat

Do you have a rules reference that if a sub submerges in the combat phase then, during non-combat movement, that sub can be ignored?

You could use screening forces to move a separate fleet to some other combat, but I don’t think you can do non-combat movement through a sea zone containing a submarine.

Do subs block movement or just get a shot when something sails by ?

@barnee said in Subs, Destroyers, MAP and other ships:

@hbg-gw-enthusiast said in Subs, Destroyers, MAP and other ships:

@gen-manstein said in Subs, Destroyers, MAP and other ships:

Why not. Sub submerged in combat. Now cv can move through in non combat

Do you have a rules reference that if a sub submerges in the combat phase then, during non-combat movement, that sub can be ignored?

You could use screening forces to move a separate fleet to some other combat, but I don’t think you can do non-combat movement through a sea zone containing a submarine.

Do subs block movement or just get a shot when something sails by ?

Depends barnee on rule 9.5.7.9.2.0 if there at periscope depth. Seems they don’t get crap. There scampers barnee. What’s a lone destroyer suppose to do when sub dives ? I get the plane help but wasn’t there that early in war. But hey not my rules. Move on.

@hbg-gw-enthusiast I think it should be errata’d the subject of what counts as “An aircraft on Carriers.” Imo they should say that aircraft are only “on carriers” all the time save combat movement and combat. It would solve a couple other questionable areas as well.

@hbg-gw-enthusiast said in Subs, Destroyers, MAP and other ships:

then during non-combat I can treat that sea zone as empty? Could I move beyond the submarine then to another further sea zone? If my CV is two away from the submarine, the destroyers enter during combat movement, the submarine submerges, then I could move t

As per 0.5, When a submarine submerges, they are allowed to share sea zones with other vessesls. Thus submarines can not participate in combat until the next players combat phase. This means that you can non combat into zones with submerged submarines since combat can not occur.