@Panther ah! daylight at last! thanks!!!
Tjoek's A&A Anniversary OOB Map file (Updated March 23rd)
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@Nowhere:
Has anyone actually printed this map? Maybe its just me, i dunno, but it seems subdued/pixelated compared to the Adobe Maps of Dedo and Imperious… but i could totally be off base or maybe i need glasses?
At what size do you want to print the file? As per my last response you should be fine around 80 inch wide. But you can easily make a test print of a small portion of the map at the number of pixels per inch you want to go for to see the effects of enlarging the file.
Let me know if it helps if I create a few files of different enlargements that are small enough to print on a standard A4 or Letter page. Then you can see for yourself. Do know that colors will always differ between your home prints and professional print equipment.
Due to the limited playing surface we have, we’re looking only to print a map roughly 57" [wide], maintaining aspect ratio… we’d take it to a professional printer for either show floor or outdoor banner vinyl.
Simply looking for something as bright and clear as the OOB map would be fine (but printed so we can roll it up and have a seemless gameplay experience).
Would your map work for this, or would we need something altered or a different map alltogether?
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That should be no problem, but please wait a few more days for a new file to be released as I’m doing some rework on the colours and brightness of the map. As well as some other small changes that YG asked me to do.
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That should be no problem, but please wait a few more days for a new file to be released as I’m doing some rework on the colours and brightness of the map. As well as some other small changes that YG asked me to do.
Hi Tjoek,
By chance are you planning to do any work as far as enhancing the border colors in the Soviet territories to make them stand out more, which was part of my original request earlier in this thread? If not, I know someone who may be able to help me with his Photoshop software, but I’ll have him wait for the new file at this point. I look forward to seeing the new file and your new enhancements! -
That should be no problem, but please wait a few more days for a new file to be released as I’m doing some rework on the colours and brightness of the map. As well as some other small changes that YG asked me to do.
No problem waiting… though you might want to post your new map in the AA50 forum instead of customizations (just make sure to announce it in this thread to)…
By all means, i’ll be waiting.
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Hi Tjoek,
By chance are you planning to do any work as far as enhancing the border colors in the Soviet territories to make them stand out more, which was part of my original request earlier in this thread? If not, I know someone who may be able to help me with his Photoshop software, but I’ll have him wait for the new file at this point. I look forward to seeing the new file and your new enhancements!Sorry I forgot about your message when the thread went into the quality / resolution discussion. With the colour and contrast corrections I’m currently working on I believe the borders should be more visible so please let me know how the file looks when it’s finished later this week.
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Any chance when you’re done updating the changes to the AA50 map you can pop out a 2nd version with optional corrected roundels for Germany and Italy? It always bothered me they removed the historical emblems those countries used for more PC ones, all the while, we can get the correct roundel control markers from HBG (ty HBG)… I would just love to have my roundels (that our group already has and uses) to actually match what’s on the board… I mean not only did they remove the Fascist Italy roundel, but they replaced Italy’s roundel with Iran’s roundel… how annoying!
Anyways, if it’s possible to have these on a 2nd map option… or perhaps at least make a descent to-scale transparent background PNG with the correct roundel so we can pop it on there ourselves before taking it to the print shop?
Something like what HBG uses would be awesome (if you could be so kind). Our group can’t be the only one that uses these roundels from HBG.
P.S.
I don’t know your country of origin, so if you’re from Germany, you don’t have to explain German law, just pretend I didn’t even ask, I can respect that. -
@Nowhere:
Any chance when you’re done updating the changes to the AA50 map you can pop out a 2nd version with optional corrected roundels for Germany and Italy? It always bothered me they removed the historical emblems those countries used for more PC ones
Please know that the German roundel is the correct one from an airplane roundel perspective. If you want to display the flag of Germany during the war you’re right about the change.
As mentioned in one of my earlier posts I will create a version with the correct Italian roundel (the black and white one), but personally I don’t feel much for adding the German flag on the board. Simply because in my opinion the symbol should be left in the past. Furthermore it’s the flag and in my opinion you should change the other nations to their flags as well and it’s easy enough to add to my map file yourself.
BTW I’m not from Germany, but the Netherlands is next to it. :lol:
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I’ve finished colour balancing the first map file which still contained to much red and green and looked a little dull.
At the same time I’ve done two important changes suggested by Young Grasshopper and his print shop:
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I’ve added a white boarder to the map, which was a great suggestion from Young Grasshopper. This helps when cutting the map after printing so that you can be sure nothing of the real map has been cut off. The boarder is 1/4 inch wide when printing the map on 400dpi.
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I’ve slightly filtered the map file to reduce the scanning noise and enhance the textures on the map
The link in my original post now points to the new file, but to give you a comparison between the two versions, see the smaller images below.
Please let me know what you think of this colour enhanced version!
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Fantastic work Tjoek… sincerely an amazing contribution to the community.
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…went to get it printed today for a friend and I nearly passed out when my print shop told me how big the print would be (119.84" X62.41"). Thankfully they turned it into a much smaller JPEG at the original size of 46" X 24" I’m going ahead with it and should have his print by next week, I’m waiting for the one with the income tracker for mine… here is the compressed file.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/2jhlkfiilcpp7at/Tjoeks 50AE Map File.jpg
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whats a 46x24 map cost if you don’t mind me asking
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whats a 46x24 map cost if you don’t mind me asking
Well, my print shop recently increased my prices which I wasn’t happy about… but they’ve told me they are locked in now. I getting the 46X24 printed on adhesive vinyl with a cold lamination to reduce scratches, than they will mount it on styrene which will give it durability and allow it to lay flat… after taxes it comes to $148.89 (Cnd).
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@Young:
whats a 46x24 map cost if you don’t mind me asking
Well, my print shop recently increased my prices which I wasn’t happy about… but they’ve told me they are locked in now. I getting the 46X24 printed on adhesive vinyl with a cold lamination to reduce scratches, than they will mount it on styrene which will give it durability and allow it to lay flat… after taxes it comes to $148.89 (Cnd).
Hi YG, with the cold lamination step, are you still able to roll up the vinyl mat and have it still lay out flat? I need a portable solution for when I print my map. If not, how durable will a map printed on vinyl be without the cold lamination step during play and also rolling it up for transport and storage? I will find out the material that is available for me to print on where I am at. The person printing my map told me it was a high quality waterproof vinyl material (I can’t remember the exact name of it), but she told me it will last. Thank you.
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@Young:
whats a 46x24 map cost if you don’t mind me asking
Well, my print shop recently increased my prices which I wasn’t happy about… but they’ve told me they are locked in now. I getting the 46X24 printed on adhesive vinyl with a cold lamination to reduce scratches, than they will mount it on styrene which will give it durability and allow it to lay flat… after taxes it comes to $148.89 (Cnd).
Hi YG, with the cold lamination step, are you still able to roll up the vinyl mat and have it still lay out flat? I need a portable solution for when I print my map. If not, how durable will a map printed on vinyl be without the cold lamination step during play and also rolling it up for transport and storage? I will find out the material that is available for me to print on where I am at. The person printing my map told me it was a high quality waterproof vinyl material (I can’t remember the exact name of it), but she told me it will last. Thank you.
I won’t know how well the cold lam map rolls until I see it, I’ve never got it before but my old maps are scratched up a bit and I figure it’s worth the money for added protection. I’ll let you guys know more when I get my map next week.
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Sounds great YG! I’m looking forward to seeing how your map turns out!
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Awesome update… so is the Italian (fasces) roundel version pending, or are we on our own for that one?
Please know that the German roundel is the correct one from an airplane roundel perspective. If you want to display the flag of Germany during the war you’re right about the change.
As mentioned in one of my earlier posts I will create a version with the correct Italian roundel (the black and white one), but personally I don’t feel much for adding the German flag on the board… Furthermore it’s the flag and in my opinion you should change the other nations to their flags as well and it’s easy enough to add to my map file yourself.
Just a quick shout-out here… the Japanese “roundel” in the game IS the Japanese flag, NOT their Roundel… but nobody complains of the Japanese Flag being used in game while the others are roundels… minor point of contention… the German roundel is the roundel, but if it were changed to their flag, it would NOT be the first such occurrence in the game, since the OOB map already has a major axis power flag in place of a roundel.
In any case, no biggie… my main point of contention is the Italian/Iranian roundel… shouldn’t be there for Axis Italy in any way shape or form… as you correctly mentioned earlier, it should be the fasces… that’s the only roundel i’m really wishing were changed on the map. Having Iran’s roundel for Italy is really off-putting.
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@Nowhere:
Awesome update… so is the Italian (fasces) roundel version pending, or are we on our own for that one?
Yes that is pending. I will await the printed result from YG to see if anything else needs changing before I start making multiple versions.
@Nowhere:
Please know that the German roundel is the correct one from an airplane roundel perspective. If you want to display the flag of Germany during the war you’re right about the change.
As mentioned in one of my earlier posts I will create a version with the correct Italian roundel (the black and white one), but personally I don’t feel much for adding the German flag on the board… Furthermore it’s the flag and in my opinion you should change the other nations to their flags as well and it’s easy enough to add to my map file yourself.
Just a quick shout-out here… the Japanese “roundel” in the game IS the Japanese flag, NOT their Roundel… but nobody complains of the Japanese Flag being used in game while the others are roundels… minor point of contention… the German roundel is the roundel, but if it were changed to their flag, it would NOT be the first such occurrence in the game, since the OOB map already has a major axis power flag in place of a roundel.
You are right about the Japanese roundel actually being their War / Naval Flag. But have you considered their real roundel? In my opinion it would simply not look that nice.
Other artistic deviations from the ‘real’ roundels are:
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USSR: has a fictive roundel based on their star roundel and their hammer and … (don’t now the English word :-)) from their flag
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Anzac: has a fictive roundel that seems to be based on war medals from Australia
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Dutch: has the pre/post war roundel. Just before and during the war they changed to an orange triangle
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Canada: didn’t use the maple leaf roundel before a decade or two after the war
@Nowhere:
In any case, no biggie… my main point of contention is the Italian/Iranian roundel… shouldn’t be there for Axis Italy in any way shape or form… as you correctly mentioned earlier, it should be the fasces… that’s the only roundel i’m really wishing were changed on the map. Having Iran’s roundel for Italy is really off-putting.
One thing I like to point out is that the so called Iranian roundel really was the Italian roundel since pre WW 1. This changed into the fasces which is the correct one to be used on the map. Only after liberation of south italy the italian airforce started to use the current italian one (red outside, green inside).
And something else: if you would use the modern Italian roundel it will look very close to the France one, which might not be ideal from a gaming point of view.Long story short, I will create a fasces version of the map :-D
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@Nowhere:
@Imperious:
But you know my map redo is 100% vector, no image loss at any scale!
I really like your map Imperious!
I have this map in 3 x 6 f. I dont know why you just dont print this one up. It has your roundels you want. If you dont like the Canada-China territories just put Canada-China or Japan roundels on map. Just sayin.
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@SS:
@Nowhere:
I really like your map Imperious!
I have this map in 3 x 6 f. I dont know why you just dont print this one up. It has your roundels you want. If you dont like the Canada-China territories just put Canada-China or Japan roundels on map. Just sayin.
Map overload… if i’m not mistaken, IL has multiple versions of the AA50 map, and (as I recall), the one with the changed roundels is a solid color nations map?!? While the one using the more “textured” map (for lack of a better word) that IL has are the original OOB roundels? I dunno, I remember seeing the different roundels on IL’s map but there was a reason I didn’t go with it, thought it was the solid colors.
To be honest, Italy is a bigger sticking point with me than Germany, and to that end…
Long story short, I will create a fasces version of the map :-D
Hooray!
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I’m still debating if I will modify the German emblem or not on my own end… as it’s a PNG/JPG, it shouldn’t be too hard to modify 6 roundels… i’m just lazy and not as firm on changing Germany as I am on Italy.
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Canada requires the old leaf, which was approved in 40… in 65, the leaf was changed to the 11 point… in your roundels, if you choose to use the leaf, the red dot would also still be accurate, make sure it’s the old one, and not the one since 65… the old one looks more like a leaf rather then some clip art leaf.
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