Is a Major IC Reduced to a Minor IC after been conquered?

@Private-Mike said in IC placement?:

I would assume you can not place an industrial complex in any new territory that have been conquered? Correct? My second question is this: Do you guys like to buy a complex (major or minor) for Romania and if so what round? If you buy it on round 1, you can go hard at Russia round 2, but you tip your hand at no Sea Lion. Plus, I like the carrier because I planned on moving it to the med to help with Italy.
Thanks Guys

Correct you must own the territory at the start of your Turn to build an IC .

Building a Major IC in Romania on G1 is known as the Romanian Rush. It is the precursor to attacking Moscow on G6. I do not see a valid reason to build a minor IC there.

Simon, I am also baffled by what happened in Russia since we are missing the critical first few rounds in that BM game.  Adam is one of the top players, if not the top player, in the world and I am sure that he didn’t make mistakes.  Unfortunately the thread missed out on the initial setup and openings so I can’t explain how Moscow was so easily captured.  Regardless, the Allies are still very much alive and the combined factories in Egypt and Iraq are making it very tough for the Axis to push further south.  I am sure that Adam will fly over a bunch of planes when it is critical to make a stand in the oilfields.

@Faramir:

Why is there the rule that industrial complexes cannot be built on islands, even if the island meets the IPC requirements? You should at least be allowed to build minor ICs on islands.

Because a minor on PI if Japan doesn’t declare war is OP for the US.  Instead of 3 moves from the islands, they are now in the middle of it.

I believe the Alpha+3 rules have changed it to “Axis” control now. If any Axis power controls India, Japan gets the $5 bonus. In some games, I have seen Italy get strong enough to take India.
This is also true for Japan’s other NOs. (Sydney, Honolulu, San Francisco, the four DEI territories and the five islands – Midway, Wake, Guam, Gilbert and Solomons). They can be held by Axis powers, not just Japan, and Japan will get the $5 bonus.
Seems kind of silly to me but I guess Larry wanted to make it slightly easier for Japan to get their NOs, or at least make it seem like it was easier.

Like I said, I have seen a couple of games where Italy took Calcutta, although by that time it is usually pretty much game over for the Allies. Also, I imagine if Germany or Italy managed to invade Central US, they could conceivably go on and take Western US, which would result in Japan getting a $5 NO.
It’s really hard to imagine a German or Italian task force floating all the way to the Pacific and taking any of the 5 small islands, the DEI, Honolulu or Sydney, but I guess it could happen in some kind of weirdly played game. Maybe Larry wanted it to be open to any type of off the wall scenarios.

@Kreuzfeld:

@Omega1759:

@kcdzim:

Ghr is incorrect.� � Germany and Italy are not diplomatically tied like Anzac/uk and Germany is free to reinforce any Italian territory regardless of who originally controlled it, just like any other friendly territory.

Great, it’s a good option to have. If Italy can opens Eastern Poland and Baltic States on I3, I don’t see why I would declare war on the Soviet Union and lose 5 IPC in the process (the Russian fleet is stuck, the Vyborg / Karelia route is subject to counter attack), there would probably be no sizeable territorial gains to obtain anyway.

the russians can still counterattack, the russians can declare war on germany on the next ussr turn, the only advantage you do get as germany is that you get the NO, BUT you lose the ability to attack russian troops and landareas, so not always a good choise

Always good to have the option to do it though…

@Fishmoto37:

@94Canuck:

In reading the new rules it seems that Japs cannot build IC’s on the Mainland except for Korea, is that so?

They can build minor ICs.

Yeah I’m going to have to keep reminding myself that minors can be built anywhere… I have it stuck in my head that no ICs can be built on foreign territories.

It is amazing how when ever I press someone of detailed information, like a turn by turn move and buy list, to back some stratgey they are toting as being the best, or to atleast explain it because I dont understand it, the thread im in just dies. Like i’ve asked for too much, wanting people to back up their claims, and it really makes me wonder how many people actually test these things out, ya’know by rolling the dice, before posting.

I have tested this out and against 2 players it worked fairly well. One player was just a novice, and I got him bogged down in China (and i had this amazing roll for the defense of Hunan it was crazy) However we were only testing and had only setup the Brits, Japan, China and the Soviets, but by turn 3 he was looking at a very tough nut to crack in HK, and a, theroretical anyway, US fleet in wake island where a naval base was to be built, and a huge stack of ftrs and Tacs in the Phillipines.

The Second player is as seasoned as they come, and we’ve been playing against eachother for years. It worked well agaisnt him because he’s a stubborn git and refuses to build new IC’s, claiming that if he needs one he’ll just go take it from an enemy  :evil:

The way around this stratgey is to do 2 things as Japan. 1: Make sure you can secure control of yunnan by turn 2, and 2: build a IC in FIC on turn 2, there by, you by pass the Allied position all together, and can make a run right at India and go for the Jugular.

Very true, those fighters are very needed in Defense, as they are stronger in that regard.

Also, I did once have a sucessfull Dunkirk evacuation of my French Fighter from the French battle.  I am pretty sure its a house rule, but the way we usually play is that if there are no attacking air units, then the defending air unit can retreat to a safe territory within its range if it survives the first round of combat.

Of course it did, and my opponent forgot to throw a Stuka at France, so the Dewontine came in very useful for a possible sealion defense and also to land on a carrier later on as a defender.