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Russia Restricted Tech from turn 4 No Industrial Complexes No invasion of neutrals Can place units in enemy sea zones.

For the sake of clarity, we play with:

Russia Restricted Tech from turn 4 No Industrial Complexes No invasion of neutrals Can place units in enemy sea zones.

@lebowsky said in Simon33 (Allies+10) vs Lebowsky (Axis) French Rebalance:

Im assuming the base game is BM4

Yes indeed. Is that the only thing you were asking?

One thing I was wondering last night is when you step on Normandy, can you use the IC in the same turn? Probably yes but I don’t really think you should be able to.

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 3

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 3 Research Technology - Germans Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 1 armour, 4 infantry and 9 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Politics - Germans Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Germans and Russians from Neutrality to War Combat Move - Germans 1 armour moved from Romania to Bessarabia Germans take Bessarabia from Russians 1 armour moved from Bessarabia to Eastern Poland 1 artillery moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux 2 bombers moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux 2 armour, 9 artilleries and 18 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States 1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia Germans take Karelia from Russians 1 infantry moved from Finland to Vyborg Germans take Vyborg from Russians 1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 94 Sea Zone 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 94 Sea Zone Combat - Germans Battle in 94 Sea Zone Germans attack with 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers French defend with 1 destroyer Germans roll dice for 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers in 94 Sea Zone, round 2 : 5/7 hits, 4.00 expected hits French roll dice for 1 destroyer in 94 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the French lost in 94 Sea Zone Germans win with 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for French: 1 destroyer Battle in Normandy Bordeaux Germans attack with 2 artilleries, 2 bombers and 1 infantry British defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 2 infantry Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries, 2 bombers and 1 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 2.33 expected hits British roll dice for 2 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Normandy Bordeaux 2 infantry owned by the British lost in Normandy Bordeaux Germans win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from British with 2 artilleries and 2 bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for British: 2 infantry Battle in Baltic States Germans attack with 2 armour, 9 artilleries and 18 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 2 armour, 9 artilleries and 18 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 11/29 hits, 8.50 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Baltic States Germans win, taking Baltic States from Russians with 2 armour, 9 artilleries and 18 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Germans 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 94 Sea Zone to Gibraltar 1 infantry moved from 92 Sea Zone to Gibraltar 2 bombers moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Gibraltar 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Alexandria to Southern Italy 2 artilleries and 11 infantry moved from Romania to Eastern Poland 2 aaGuns moved from Poland to Eastern Poland 1 aaGun moved from Poland to Baltic States 1 aaGun moved from Germany to Western Germany 2 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to Poland 1 mech_infantry moved from Southern France to Western Germany 6 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Yugoslavia to Eastern Poland 4 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Eastern Poland 1 armour moved from Germany to Eastern Poland 1 armour moved from Germany to Eastern Poland 1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Baltic States 1 mech_infantry moved from Germany to Baltic States 1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Norway to Finland 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from 112 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 119 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone 1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to France Place Units - Germans 3 infantry placed in France 1 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys placed in Western Germany 1 armour and 5 mech_infantrys placed in Germany Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 46 PUs; end with 46 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 51 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

French regular : -0.33 Russians regular : -0.33 Germans regular : 3.17 British regular : 0.33

Savegame

TripleA Turn Summary: UK_Pacific round 6

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 6 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 3 carriers, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry, 3 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 2 cruisers moved from 94 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone 2 marines moved from Algeria to 96 Sea Zone 2 cruisers and 2 marines moved from 96 Sea Zone to 100 Sea Zone Americans take 100 Sea Zone from Germans 2 marines moved from 100 Sea Zone to Crete 1 submarine moved from 93 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 94 Sea Zone to 95 Sea Zone 3 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 27 Sea Zone 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 27 Sea Zone to 50 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 50 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 55 Sea Zone to New Guinea 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 50 Sea Zone to 47 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from 47 Sea Zone to New Britain Combat - Americans Battle in Crete Battle in New Guinea Battle in New Britain Battle in 95 Sea Zone Americans attack with 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber Italians defend with 1 destroyer Americans roll dice for 1 submarine in 95 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Americans roll dice for 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 95 Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 2.17 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 destroyer in 95 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the Italians lost in 95 Sea Zone Americans win, taking Crete from Italians, taking New Guinea from Japanese, taking New Britain from Japanese, taking 95 Sea Zone from Italians with 3 fighters, 1 submarine and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for Italians: 1 destroyer Non Combat Move - Americans 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 95 Sea Zone to 100 Sea Zone 1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Gibraltar to Egypt 1 artillery moved from Gibraltar to 94 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 2 transports moved from 94 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone 1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Algeria to 96 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 2 transports moved from 96 Sea Zone to 100 Sea Zone 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 100 Sea Zone to Crete 1 fighter moved from 93 Sea Zone to Gibraltar 1 fighter moved from Eastern United States to Gibraltar 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western United States to 93 Sea Zone 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Hawaiian Islands to Queensland 2 destroyers and 1 submarine moved from 65 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from New Zealand to Queensland 2 destroyers and 1 submarine moved from 27 Sea Zone to 55 Sea Zone 1 cruiser moved from 28 Sea Zone to 65 Sea Zone 3 fighters moved from Western United States to 11 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Western United States to 11 Sea Zone 2 infantry, 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from 11 Sea Zone to 28 Sea Zone 3 fighters moved from 11 Sea Zone to 28 Sea Zone 3 fighters and 2 infantry moved from 28 Sea Zone to Hawaiian Islands 4 infantry moved from Central United States to 104 Sea Zone 1 aaGun moved from Central United States to Western United States 4 infantry and 2 transports moved from 104 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone 1 aaGun moved from Algeria to 94 Sea Zone 1 aaGun and 1 transport moved from 94 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone 1 aaGun and 4 infantry moved from 93 Sea Zone to Gibraltar 2 battleships, 2 carriers, 2 destroyers and 1 submarine moved from 94 Sea Zone to 100 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 108 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 109 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone Place Units - Americans 1 infantry placed in Western United States 3 carriers, 1 destroyer, 3 submarines and 1 transport placed in 11 Sea Zone Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 53 PUs; end with 54 PUs Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 64 PUs Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 69 PUs Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 74 PUs Purchase Units - Chinese Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed Chinese buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Chinese 1 fighter and 1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Szechwan 3 artilleries and 7 infantry moved from Yunnan to Kweichow Combat - Chinese Battle in Kweichow Chinese attack with 3 artilleries and 7 infantry Japanese defend with 1 infantry Chinese roll dice for 3 artilleries and 7 infantry in Kweichow, round 2 : 3/10 hits, 2.67 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Kweichow, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Kweichow Chinese win, taking Kweichow from Japanese with 3 artilleries and 7 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Battle in Szechwan Chinese attack with 1 fighter and 1 infantry Japanese defend with 1 infantry Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Szechwan, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Szechwan, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Szechwan Chinese win, taking Szechwan from Japanese with 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Chinese 1 fighter moved from Szechwan to Western Sinkiang Place Units - Chinese 1 infantry placed in Kweichow 2 infantry placed in Western Sinkiang Turn Complete - Chinese Chinese collect 4 PUs; end with 4 PUs Purchase Units - British British buy 1 carrier, 1 destroyer, 2 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - British 1 bomber moved from Egypt to Tanganyika Territory 2 infantry moved from Belgian Congo to Tanganyika Territory 1 infantry moved from Anglo-Egyptian Sudan to Ethiopia British take Ethiopia from Italians 1 infantry moved from Anglo-Egyptian Sudan to Kenya British take Kenya from Italians 1 infantry moved from Egypt to Alexandria British take Alexandria from Italians Combat - British Battle in Tanganyika Territory British attack with 1 bomber and 2 infantry Italians defend with 1 infantry British roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Tanganyika Territory, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 infantry in Tanganyika Territory, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Tanganyika Territory British win, taking Tanganyika Territory from Italians with 1 bomber and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - British 1 bomber moved from Tanganyika Territory to Egypt 1 fighter moved from Belgian Congo to Crete 1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Crete 2 fighters moved from Egypt to Ukraine 1 transport moved from 94 Sea Zone to 96 Sea Zone 1 mech_infantry moved from Algeria to 96 Sea Zone 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 96 Sea Zone to 100 Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Egypt to 100 Sea Zone 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from 100 Sea Zone to Crete 1 aaGun, 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Iraq to Southern Persia 1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Southern Persia to Baluchistan 2 fighters and 7 infantry moved from Western India to Baluchistan 1 infantry moved from Egypt to Anglo-Egyptian Sudan 1 transport moved from 72 Sea Zone to 73 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Union of South Africa to 73 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 73 Sea Zone to 72 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 72 Sea Zone to Belgian Congo 1 destroyer moved from 74 Sea Zone to 83 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from 73 Sea Zone to 83 Sea Zone 1 aaGun, 1 artillery and 7 infantry moved from Algeria to Morocco 1 transport moved from 94 Sea Zone to 90 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from French Guiana to 90 Sea Zone 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 90 Sea Zone to 93 Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from 93 Sea Zone to Gibraltar 1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Gibraltar 1 fighter moved from Norway to 93 Sea Zone 2 aaGuns, 4 artilleries and 12 infantry moved from Yunnan to Kweichow 1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Kweichow 2 infantry moved from Egypt to Alexandria 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan Place Units - British 1 carrier, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine placed in 100 Sea Zone 2 infantry placed in Union of South Africa Turn Complete - British British collect 37 PUs; end with 37 PUs Trigger British 3 No Enemy Submarines: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 40 PUs Turn Complete - UK_Pacific

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Chinese regular : 0.67 Americans regular : 0.50 Japanese regular : -0.67 Italians regular : -0.67 British regular : 1.17

Savegame

I matched the dice in my dice email to the game but still better if you check too.

@GeneralDisarray Think this got lost in your notifications

Someone liked a post (not this one) on a 12 year old Sealion thread (shortly after the rules had been firmed up from the Alphas), and I bumped into this nearby post

Apparently I forgot the lessons I had learned. It’s long, but thought you would enjoy:

I wrote this in 2013:

I have never lost as Allies when G attempts Sea Lion
We are getting to the point where we invite a Sea Lion attempt
If you don’t pressure Russia, Russia will kick your butt.  Especially now with the 3 IPC NO per territory, which was another change as of Alpha2/3 somewhere in there.

Dog pile Russia.  If the Allies don’t lose, they win.  If the Allies don’t lose Russia, they will almost always win.  There are exceptions, of course.

To answer the question of the thread “Sea Lion worth it?” I would say, yes, when UK has a lot of money to plunder and you can take it fairly cheaply (without losing your entire fleet to Allied strike after taking) and/or you can take it and hold it at least for awhile.

I would not attempt Sea Lion with less than about 80-90% odds and also a very high chance of losing only a couple of aircraft.  If you’re looking at a 60% chance of taking London with 1 tank and losing most or all of the Luftwaffe - no way.
You don’t win G40 2nd edition just because you successfully took London.
Again, I have never lost after losing London.  It’s best to go full bore after Russia, because Moscow is the biggest threat to the Axis win.

Show me a game where the Axis win after taking London first (in the first 5 or so rounds) and I will show you an Allied player who didn’t do his job, or got horribly diced, or both.  A good Russian player will be licking his chops when he sees the Germans attack London, and should absolutely mop up (assuming London is reasonably defended and G loses most ground units and several air craft, which they almost always will)

New rules that make Sea Lion less rewarding since OOB, Alpha1 version -
Russia AND USA immediately enter the war if London falls
No more NO for London for Germany
AAs can be taken as casualties and UK gets 5
Transport in 113 moved out of range to 114
UK can scramble 3 aircraft from Scotland and UK (for those who don’t remember, weren’t aware, you could not scramble from the UK or Scotland at all, OOB)
Russia gets 3 IPC NO for every single original Axis, pro-Axis Europe/Africa territory (this is a pretty serious deterrent)