2012 - AA50-41 - League Results and Standings

@gamerman01 said in L25 Classic VictoryFirst (Axis+3) vs. The_Good_Captain (Allies):

@VictoryFirst said in L25 Classic VictoryFirst (Axis+3) vs. The_Good_Captain (Allies):

For the ratings of this year to make sense I think we should stick to the ruleset of the ongoing Classic tournament.

Of course I am very happy you guys are playing a regular season league game already. I didn’t post my default league Classic rules yet, but I will now, in the main post of the Classic league discussion thread.

Actually, I’ve put it in the overall 2025 league rules instead. Classic has made its entry to the League Rules, and so is very officially in the league.

Way to go @elche , you brought me back to the roots

Ok, no problem. Used to send the file because you can see every move and purchase better.

Will do next time

TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 3

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 3 Research Technology - Germans Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 1 armour, 4 infantry and 9 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Politics - Germans Germans takes Political Action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians Germans succeeds on action: Political Action Axis To War With Russians: Changing Relationship for Germans and Russians from Neutrality to War Combat Move - Germans 1 armour moved from Romania to Bessarabia Germans take Bessarabia from Russians 1 armour moved from Bessarabia to Eastern Poland 1 artillery moved from Southern France to Normandy Bordeaux 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Holland Belgium to Normandy Bordeaux 2 bombers moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux 2 armour, 9 artilleries and 18 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States 1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia Germans take Karelia from Russians 1 infantry moved from Finland to Vyborg Germans take Vyborg from Russians 1 fighter moved from Southern Italy to 94 Sea Zone 3 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 94 Sea Zone Combat - Germans Battle in 94 Sea Zone Germans attack with 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers French defend with 1 destroyer Germans roll dice for 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers in 94 Sea Zone, round 2 : 5/7 hits, 4.00 expected hits French roll dice for 1 destroyer in 94 Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the French lost in 94 Sea Zone Germans win with 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for French: 1 destroyer Battle in Normandy Bordeaux Germans attack with 2 artilleries, 2 bombers and 1 infantry British defend with 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 2 infantry Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries, 2 bombers and 1 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 2/5 hits, 2.33 expected hits British roll dice for 2 infantry in Normandy Bordeaux, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Normandy Bordeaux 2 infantry owned by the British lost in Normandy Bordeaux Germans win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from British with 2 artilleries and 2 bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for British: 2 infantry Battle in Baltic States Germans attack with 2 armour, 9 artilleries and 18 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 2 armour, 9 artilleries and 18 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 11/29 hits, 8.50 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Baltic States Germans win, taking Baltic States from Russians with 2 armour, 9 artilleries and 18 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Germans 4 fighters and 3 tactical_bombers moved from 94 Sea Zone to Gibraltar 1 infantry moved from 92 Sea Zone to Gibraltar 2 bombers moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Gibraltar 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Alexandria to Southern Italy 2 artilleries and 11 infantry moved from Romania to Eastern Poland 2 aaGuns moved from Poland to Eastern Poland 1 aaGun moved from Poland to Baltic States 1 aaGun moved from Germany to Western Germany 2 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to Poland 1 mech_infantry moved from Southern France to Western Germany 6 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Yugoslavia to Eastern Poland 4 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Eastern Poland 1 armour moved from Germany to Eastern Poland 1 armour moved from Germany to Eastern Poland 1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Germany to Baltic States 1 mech_infantry moved from Germany to Baltic States 1 aaGun and 1 infantry moved from Norway to Finland 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 1 submarine and 1 transport moved from 112 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from 119 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone 1 aaGun moved from Western Germany to France Place Units - Germans 3 infantry placed in France 1 infantry and 4 mech_infantrys placed in Western Germany 1 armour and 5 mech_infantrys placed in Germany Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 46 PUs; end with 46 PUs Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 51 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

French regular : -0.33 Russians regular : -0.33 Germans regular : 3.17 British regular : 0.33

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I matched the dice in my dice email to the game but still better if you check too.

TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 11

TripleA Turn Summary for game: WW2 Path to Victory

Game History

Round: 11 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 10 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 1 infantry moved from Yaroslavl to Novgorod Russians take Novgorod from Germans 1 armour moved from Stalingrad to Tambov Russians take Tambov from Germans 1 armour moved from Tambov to Stalingrad 1 armour moved from Stalingrad to Rostov Russians take Rostov from Germans 1 armour moved from Rostov to Stalingrad Combat - Russians Non Combat Move - Russians 1 artillery and 10 infantry moved from Samara to Stalingrad 1 artillery moved from Gorky to Samara 1 artillery moved from Russia to Samara 2 infantry moved from Samara to Kazakhstan 8 infantry moved from Russia to Samara 1 artillery moved from Buryatia to Sakha 1 bomber moved from Buryatia to Komi 1 artillery moved from Siberia to Sakha 1 infantry moved from Siberia to Sakha 1 infantry moved from Amur to Sakha 1 infantry moved from Siberia to Sakha Place Units - Russians 3 infantry placed in Siberia 7 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Russia Turn Complete - Russians Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2 Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 5 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,4,4,4 Russians collect 30 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 30 PUs Trigger Russians 2 Persia Lend Lease Lane: Russians met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 32 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Territory Summary for Russians :

Komi : 1 bomber Kazakhstan : 2 infantry Nenetsia : 1 infantry Siberia : 2 aaGuns, 1 factory_minor and 10 infantry Smolensk : 1 infantry Russia : 1 airfield, 1 factory_major, 1 fighter, 9 infantry and 1 mech_infantry Samara : 1 aaGun, 2 artilleries and 10 infantry Buryatia : 1 infantry Urals : 1 factory_minor Gorky : 2 infantry Vologda : 1 infantry Sakha : 2 artilleries and 3 infantry Novgorod : 1 infantry Stalingrad : 3 aaGuns, 2 armour, 8 artilleries, 1 factory_minor, 2 fighters, 74 infantry, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber Northeast Persia : 1 flag

Production/PUs Summary :

Germans : 59 / 75 Russians : 32 / 32 Japanese : 59 / 82 Americans : 51 / 82 Chinese : 11 / 14 British : 38 / 47 UK_Pacific : 9 / 13 Italians : 10 / 1 ANZAC : 4 / 4 French : 5 / 0 Dutch : 0 / 0 Mongolians : 0 / 0 Neutral_Axis : 0 / 0 Neutral_Allies : 0 / 0 Neutral_True : 20 / 0

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TripleA Turn Summary: Russians round 18

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3

Game History

Round: 18 Combat Move - Russians Non Combat Move - Russians 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Iraq to Eastern Persia Turn Complete - Russians

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

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Someone liked a post (not this one) on a 12 year old Sealion thread (shortly after the rules had been firmed up from the Alphas), and I bumped into this nearby post

Apparently I forgot the lessons I had learned. It’s long, but thought you would enjoy:

I wrote this in 2013:

I have never lost as Allies when G attempts Sea Lion
We are getting to the point where we invite a Sea Lion attempt
If you don’t pressure Russia, Russia will kick your butt.  Especially now with the 3 IPC NO per territory, which was another change as of Alpha2/3 somewhere in there.

Dog pile Russia.  If the Allies don’t lose, they win.  If the Allies don’t lose Russia, they will almost always win.  There are exceptions, of course.

To answer the question of the thread “Sea Lion worth it?” I would say, yes, when UK has a lot of money to plunder and you can take it fairly cheaply (without losing your entire fleet to Allied strike after taking) and/or you can take it and hold it at least for awhile.

I would not attempt Sea Lion with less than about 80-90% odds and also a very high chance of losing only a couple of aircraft.  If you’re looking at a 60% chance of taking London with 1 tank and losing most or all of the Luftwaffe - no way.
You don’t win G40 2nd edition just because you successfully took London.
Again, I have never lost after losing London.  It’s best to go full bore after Russia, because Moscow is the biggest threat to the Axis win.

Show me a game where the Axis win after taking London first (in the first 5 or so rounds) and I will show you an Allied player who didn’t do his job, or got horribly diced, or both.  A good Russian player will be licking his chops when he sees the Germans attack London, and should absolutely mop up (assuming London is reasonably defended and G loses most ground units and several air craft, which they almost always will)

New rules that make Sea Lion less rewarding since OOB, Alpha1 version -
Russia AND USA immediately enter the war if London falls
No more NO for London for Germany
AAs can be taken as casualties and UK gets 5
Transport in 113 moved out of range to 114
UK can scramble 3 aircraft from Scotland and UK (for those who don’t remember, weren’t aware, you could not scramble from the UK or Scotland at all, OOB)
Russia gets 3 IPC NO for every single original Axis, pro-Axis Europe/Africa territory (this is a pretty serious deterrent)