2015 League Post Game Results Here

[Karl7]

@Shin:

I honestly don’t understand why everyone seems to want to focus on SBR.  SBR is trivial to block.  Just put 3 or 4 Fighters there.  If the bomber player sends more than 3 or 4, then he’s exposing them to AA for no good reason.

Neither Russia nor England have any trouble doing this.

No, the issue with Bombers in German hands is threat projection.  But I’m still not convinced the strategy is unbeatable.  If it was , why did it take so many years to catch on?  It’s just forcing the Allies to play differently, is all.

I think Shin Ji is probably right.  He played that tactic against me, and it was a very close game. I don’t think the bombers by themselves won it for him. The bombers definitely changed up how the allies had to respond, but the game more turned on the unrelated fact that UK got diced at Taranto and Italy captured Cairo It1, meaning the fall of Moscow was the end.

The allies were only a turn or 2 away from either recapturing Cairo or boosting up Moscow.

[Shin-Ji]

I am very much in support of Variance’s HR as a solution to this.  It’s not overly extreme, it doesn’t affect the game in far-reaching ways, and it add options that weren’t really there before.  Like bombing the Gib naval base.  Pointless to stop a British fleet before, but now the Brits will need to defend against this.

[Bjergmose]

bmnielsen only played people once and the best (ranked) player he beat was me so there is still hope.
I felt overwhelmed, but a big part of this was because I wasn´t prepared for all-bmb strategy.
I don´t think it is unbeatable….otherwise everybody would be using it. don´t see any reason to tweak the game just because bmnielsen got everybody running scared  :wink:

[gamerman01]

Alright dudes, I don’t mind some discussion in the game results thread, but I think we’ve reached the point where I want to request that the discussion about too many German bombers be taken elsewhere - thanks

[axis-dominion]

not everyone uses it because it doesn’t suit everyone’s style of play. bmnielsen is particularly good with this strategy because he loves to do massive air blitzing, wiping out small to medium stacks of units and not afraid to lose a couple bombers here and there. not everyone is comfortable trading off planes for inf, for example. he takes those risks and you know what? he’s generally been very lucky with them. i’m sometimes astounded at how lucky he gets in fact. for example, in the loss i just posted, he struck at my small force in morocco of 4 inf and 2 bombers, and he wiped it all out without a single loss. now that’s very frustrating to lose 6 units like that without any compensation whatsoever. they reach everywhere and nothing is safe for the allies  :lol:

also, it’s not just because of this strategy that i don’t like the intercepting rules…i really think they’re problematic regardless of which strategy is employed. they’re problematic and also just not very realistic (i realize many aspects of the game are not historical or realistic, but still we should strive to refine the rules to be as accurate as possible without loss of balance and fun gameplay)

@Bjergmose:

bmnielsen only played people once and the best (ranked) player he beat was me so there is still hope.
I felt overwhelmed, but a big part of this was because I wasn�t prepared for all-bmb strategy.
I don�t think it is unbeatable….otherwise everybody would be using it. don�t see any reason to tweak the game just because bmnielsen got everybody running scared� :wink:

[axis-dominion]

@Gamerman01:

Alright dudes, I don’t mind some discussion in the game results thread, but I think we’ve reached the point where I want to request that the discussion about too many German bombers be taken elsewhere - thanks

actually, the discussion was started weeks ago here:

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=35390.new;topicseen#new

and some play testing has been kicked off as a result of the discussions

[Karl7]

OH SHI……

[gamerman01]

Oh, Karl, aren’t those “tactical bombers”?  They only have a range of 4 - no problem!

[Karl7]

@Gamerman01:

Oh, Karl, aren’t those “tactical bombers”?  They only have a range of 4 - no problem!
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Those are JU 88’s!  The same bombers used for the A&A bomber sculpt.

[Karl7]

@Karl7:

@Gamerman01:

Oh, Karl, aren’t those “tactical bombers”?  They only have a range of 4 - no problem!
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Those are JU 88’s!  The same bombers used for the A&A bomber sculpt.
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Well, I stand corrected.  They are He 111.  Even bigger than the 88’s!

[axis-dominion]

no need to worry tho, they must not be bmnielsen’s, since there are only 3 of them…

[wheatbeer]

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=35440.75

cyanight (Allies +12) over wheatbeer (Axis)

Catastrophic failure in Moscow.

[boldfresh]

@wheatbeer:

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=35440.75

cyanight (Allies +12) over wheatbeer (Axis)

Catastrophic failure in Moscow.

whoa!

[Zhukov44]

@wheatbeer:

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=35440.75

cyanight (Allies +12) over wheatbeer (Axis)

Catastrophic failure in Moscow.

Ouch!  Germany had good odds (86%)….but a 14% chance is still a decent chance I guess.

[Karl7]

Shin Ji Axis over Karl7

http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=35530.180

2 times Shin Ji has trounced me with the german bomber strategy. I hate to say it, but I too am starting to wonder if the game is broken…

[axis-dominion]

Germans win, taking Egypt from British with 11 armour, 22 bombers, 20 mech_infantrys and 5 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 348

…… omg! that’s gotta be a record!

yah karl, welcome to the “i’m starting to not like playing this game b/c of this stupid unrealistic all-bomber strategy” club…EVEN if there was a way to beat it, i doubt it’d be very consistent, and it’d still be super hard (and very stressful) to play against this strategy. it’s just too easy for germany to dominate everything with 20 or 30 bombers

after my championship game with bmnielsen, i am seriously considering just not playing anyone who employs this strategy. i’ll have to come up with some agreed-upon house rule that caps the number of bombers germany can buy in the early rounds, but i’m not really sure what the specifics would be. i have to think about it some more

[boldfresh]

@axis-dominion:

Germans win, taking Egypt from British with 11 armour, 22 bombers, 20 mech_infantrys and 5 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 348

…… omg! that’s gotta be a record!

yah karl, welcome to the “i’m starting to not like playing this game b/c of this stupid unrealistic all-bomber strategy” club…EVEN if there was a way to beat it, i doubt it’d be very consistent, and it’d still be super hard (and very stressful) to play against this strategy. it’s just too easy for germany to dominate everything with 20 or 30 bombers

after my championship game with bmnielsen, i am seriously considering just not playing anyone who employs this strategy. i’ll have to come up with some agreed-upon house rule that caps the number of bombers germany can buy in the early rounds, but i’m not really sure what the specifics would be. i have to think about it some more

cmon man, embrace the challenge!!  :-)  gotta love it.

[boldfresh]

@Boldfresh:

@axis-dominion:

Germans win, taking Egypt from British with 11 armour, 22 bombers, 20 mech_infantrys and 5 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 348

…… omg! that’s gotta be a record!

yah karl, welcome to the “i’m starting to not like playing this game b/c of this stupid unrealistic all-bomber strategy” club…EVEN if there was a way to beat it, i doubt it’d be very consistent, and it’d still be super hard (and very stressful) to play against this strategy. it’s just too easy for germany to dominate everything with 20 or 30 bombers

after my championship game with bmnielsen, i am seriously considering just not playing anyone who employs this strategy. i’ll have to come up with some agreed-upon house rule that caps the number of bombers germany can buy in the early rounds, but i’m not really sure what the specifics would be. i have to think about it some more

cmon man, embrace the challenge!!   :-)  gotta love it.

karl, were you diced hard in this battle or were you taking a 0.0000000001% stand here?

[Karl7]

@Boldfresh:

@Boldfresh:

@axis-dominion:

Germans win, taking Egypt from British with 11 armour, 22 bombers, 20 mech_infantrys and 5 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 348

…… omg! that’s gotta be a record!

yah karl, welcome to the “i’m starting to not like playing this game b/c of this stupid unrealistic all-bomber strategy” club…EVEN if there was a way to beat it, i doubt it’d be very consistent, and it’d still be super hard (and very stressful) to play against this strategy. it’s just too easy for germany to dominate everything with 20 or 30 bombers

after my championship game with bmnielsen, i am seriously considering just not playing anyone who employs this strategy. i’ll have to come up with some agreed-upon house rule that caps the number of bombers germany can buy in the early rounds, but i’m not really sure what the specifics would be. i have to think about it some more

cmon man, embrace the challenge!!   :-)  gotta love it.

karl, were you diced hard in this battle or were you taking a 0.0000000001% stand here?

I didn’t look at the numbers, but I think Shin Ji had the advantage.

BUT, insult to injury, I also get diced.  I rolled 39 ftrs in defense and got 23 – less than 50%.

The MARTI server likes to kick you while  you are down.

[axis-dominion]

@Boldfresh:

cmon man, embrace the challenge!!� �:-)� gotta love it.

as if playing against the more conventional axis strategies isn’t challenging enough??