7.0 turn 1 pics and report

[koba]

Bill,

I suppose we could have played without the extras but we have been using the custom rules for months now and didnt  really see the difference in terms of balance. More enhancement than anything else and there’s no sense in testing the rules without them as they are a (growing) part of our game.

We’ve played 6.1 at least ten times and yes, the balance was a bit off a bit, but it was not impossible for the allies to win. I’ve been playing global 39 for a about three years now (A and A for thirty plus) and ,like you, I could see that 7.0/.1 in their entirety would be imbalanced.

I’m eager to see how this plays out with others.

Also, I have the sneaking suspicion that the next incarnation of the game will feature many, if not all, of the HBG custom rules we use now as well as others yet to be seen. So we may as well incorporate them and see how well they integrate.  So, we can say we’re not just play testing 4.1, 5.0, 6.1, 7.0 or whatever, we’re play testing everything HBG is bringing to the plate. We have the pieces and rules so why not?

Rohr,

All resources/rails were placed from word go. Refer to the HBG custom rules on their website for the placement and mechanics. You will see, for example, that Europe has a rail movement of 3 (this includes european russia) so we placed rail markers to display that infrastructure. I am short on rail pieces and need more. The stations in this game  are mainly props but there are rules for them as well. Eventually, we will have trains and railguns.

[rohr94]

i’m having a tough time understanding the rail rules.  i was hoping you could clarify them based on how you play, because i’m starting a game this afternoon.

As far as setup every territory in europe begins with a rail, and the cities listed have rail stations.  as far as africa, every british territory has rails through it.

with movement, in Europe you can move 3 units per turn as far as you want so long as there is a functioning railway.  every other continent is one unit per turn.

I remember finding a hbg rule set for rails that was different from http://www.historicalboardgaming.com/assets/images/HBG/HBGMarkers/00Marker Rules/Railways.pdf
it had more rule variations for rails, my favorite of which was as follows.

Rail moves per turn are equivalent to the number of rail stations under your control up to 6.  a move is from one rail station to another.  rail stations can be no more than 4 territories away from each other.  rail stations cost 15 and rails are 3.  have you encountered this rules set?  if so do you know where it went?

[rohr94]

file:///C:/Users/Philip/Downloads/HBG%20Marker%20RulesRev5.pdf

this is the version i prefer

[Tigerman77]

The group we had testing the rules always complained thats the 6.1v rules allowed the Axis to win 100% of the time.  In our games it was usually 50/50.  But they insisted that it was very lopsided. The official 7.1v will address the needed changes in 7.0.

Any other clarifications that were not addressed from 6.1 to 7.0 let me know.

[koba]

Rohr,

Yes, I have seen the rules you are referring to. We played using/purchasing rail stations and individual rails. We use the newer rules as you mentioned in terms of the 3 unit limit in Europe, 1 unit east of Urals (Siberian Railroad), the British in Africa and the N. American allowance. It’s easier (and cheaper!!!). You are permitted to augment this with new rail purchases I believe, but we never do.

I recommend just using the allowances for simplicity’s sake and bringing in more detail if/when you decide to introduce trains. HBG has markers for engines, cars, rail guns etc. but I’d really like to see 3D models.

Have fun with the game. Ours is over with a hard fought Axis win.

[koba]

Hi Tigerman,

I hope the observations and critiques posted here helped.

In terms of Russia, it may be a good change to give them a 3 IPC NO simulating German machine tools and finished goods before war breaks out. 15 IPC starting cash, roll for income and declaration of war plus the NO. If the Allies are made too strong, playing the Axis will be less than desirable. I remember A and A 1984 when Russia could jump on Germany on turn one, the U.S. could build and IC in China, Britain in India/South Africa etc. It was a really hard go for the Axis, almost too hard. I’d hate to see global '39 or '36 head that route. Judging by the pics posted on HBG’s Facebook page, it doesn’t look too good for the Axis there either.

I know in 6.1 the Allies could tie Germany up in Europe and create trouble for Japan until the U.S. entered the game. If the Axis weren’t on their way to Moscow/Stalingrad by the time Uncle Sam came on it was goodnight Irene. That dynamic hasn’t changed in 7.0. In fact, it’s been enhanced. If the Allies play it right, Cairo will not fall, Yugoslavia, Greece, and Poland will be terrorist PITAs for the Germans and Japan will be busy trying to beat off Russia while fighting the Chinese, FEC and ANZAC.

Regardless, I’m confident you’ll do what needs doing.

[Tigerman77]

Ok.  I put russia starting income and war entry rules back to 6.1.  Seems the extra units on setup are enough to keep Germany at bay for a little while.

Also changed the Fort rule:  Fort fires 2d12 on first round only. Also defending infantry get a +1 and attacking units get a -1 including aircraft.

[koba]

Yes, the Russia situation looks good.

Nice compromise on the fortification rules.

We may be playing this weekend so perhaps there’ll be a chance to try them out sooner rather than later.

Thanks again.

[billcallaway]

Is there anyone out there that is playing with 7.1 besides just Koba and I? I’d be interested to hear how hard it is to win for the Axis now.

[General 6 Stars]

We have a game sunday.

[Quintus Fabius Maximus]

@billcallaway:

Is there anyone out there that is playing with 7.1 besides just Koba and I? I’d be interested to hear how hard it is to win for the Axis now.

We are playing a game in about an hour. Well see how it goes.

[Warwick]

I can not find the 7.1 rules and setup. Have they been published?

[General 6 Stars]

7.0 is at BGG and the 7.1 are just a few changes to the 7.0 rules. &.1 will be out soon with maybe somemore changes.

[billcallaway]

7.0 was completely lopsided to the point it not worth playing. 7.1 is playable but the axis have a tough time. I would say the axis win 1 in 3 with 7.1 but that’s only out of 3 games with the “revised” 7.1 and lucky rolls 1st turn for Germany.

[ghr2]

@billcallaway:

7.0 was completely lopsided to the point it not worth playing. 7.1 is playable but the axis have a tough time. I would say the axis win 1 in 3 with 7.1 but that’s only out of 3 games with the “revised” 7.1 and lucky rolls 1st turn for Germany.

Besides setup changes, what are the changes in 7.1 again?

[billcallaway]

Differences in 7.0 vs. 7.1 are huge. Japan uses sneak attack different time, Germany gets to use their navy in 2nd impulse, Russia gets less $, and a couple more. They are completely separate games nearly. I wouldn’t even suggest playing 7.0 and stick with 6.1 until 7.1 comes out.

[General 6 Stars]

The 7.1 is better than 6.1 or 7.0. I think it just needs a few more tweaks.

[Tigerman77]

Making final 7.1v ….should be up on BGG by this weekend.

[General 6 Stars]

Thanksyou Tigerman.  :-)

[billcallaway]

We are playing again on Friday. Any chance it will be up Friday morning?