Agreed.
Is Switzerland the stepping stone to victory?
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But what if austria invades switzerland? Would this allow germany to focus its troops and italy will now worry about the axis contesting or taking piedmont.
Its been awhile since my last playthrough but maybe and austria takover may still cause more problems for the allies. Now they have two central powers to worry about, and germany hasnt spread their troops out. Even if germany takes switzerland, cant austria still shuck some troops in to support without hurting the russsian campaign? I need another playtest.
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I don’t believe Switzerland should be impassible, but certainly the terrain there made it virtually impossible to move large-scale forces through. Having the Swiss have more units than the other neutrals is a deterrent, but not really correct.
I believe a good representation of the Swiss situation would be:
Switzerland restricted terrain: Because of the mountainous terrain, no power may move more than a single unit into and out of Switzerland in their turn.
The effects of this rule would be obvious. First, whoever attacks into Switzerland violating their neutrality would send a single infantry (as required by rules) to fight the two defending troops. Therefore you could not even capture it in a single move. On your next turn you could send another unit in, or your allies on their turn could also send in a unit.
Eventually you might capture the territory, but even then you could only move a single unit OUT of Switzerland to either attack or join forces fighting in contested territories. Yes you could move one unit in and one unit out on your turn, but that’s it!
This would really represent moving troops through the mountain passes. Face it; Germany had no problem going through neutral Belgium (and Holland was also targeted) to get at the French. If moving troops through Switzerland wasn’t so difficult, they would likely have tried to out flank the French trench lines through there as well.
So now the territory in effect becomes semi-impassible. Its possible to move into, but way more difficult then the other open territories, and powers with large armies will not be able to just roll right over them.
Opinions?
Kim
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Makes a lot of sense KimRYoung.
I am all for restrictions, but as I have said it is my best friend who needs persuading.
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I like those rules. Ill try them my next playthrough and see what happens. I predict people arnt going to be attacking the swiss in the first couple of turns.
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Switzerland is just fine exactly the way it is. It’s temptingly easy to invade, but whoever does invade will find their front too long and their forces stretched too thin. In every game we played where Switzerland was invaded, the invader regretted it.
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In our last game, we left all neutrals alone and the CP ended up winning.
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Switzerland is just fine exactly the way it is. It’s temptingly easy to invade, but whoever does invade will find their front too long and their forces stretched too thin. In every game we played where Switzerland was invaded, the invader regretted it.
If that is true, then game-balance wise there is no problem. However, the mountainous terrain should indeed make an invasion costlier/ more difficult for whoever attempts it for historical reasons (.e.g the Italians and Austrians also fought each other in the Alps without any significant breakthroughs).
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In our last game, we left all neutrals alone and the CP ended up winning.
That’s something I’ve wondered about too. It should at least have been an optional rule: neutrals are neutral (or alternately this could have been the standard rule and the optional rule to allow neutrals to be invaded).
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Or maybe allow only infantry to pass. Terrain is especially difficult for heavy guns to move trough or planes to land.
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Or maybe allow only infantry to pass. Terrain is especially difficult for heavy guns to move trough or planes to land.
You could still shove 20 plus infantry through, that’s enough.
Kim
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First of all, A&A doesn’t make any allowance for terrain. Second of all, Switzerland would be no harder to get through than the Isonzo front. It has numerous passes. Hannibal got through, Suvorov got through, Napoleon got through. The Germans could have gotten through - with their guns.
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First of all, A&A doesn’t make any allowance for terrain.
Yes they do, they have impassible terrain and they have control restrictions for moving through straits.
As for whether any nation could have, would have, or should have gone through Switzerland, the historical facts are that in two world wars they were right in the middle of it and NO ONE attacked them for whatever reason.
To overrun Switzerland every game with ease by whoever just doest seem right to me. The Sahara isn’t really impassible, just damn difficult to get thorough.
In Global 1940 Switzerland is impassible, where every other neutral can be attacked and get money from. Why didn’t they let you attack it there?
Kim
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In Global 1940 Switzerland is impassible, where every other neutral can be attacked and get money from. Why didn’t they let you attack it there?
Uhh, Switzerland is passible. It raises 6 infrantry and doesn’t give you a single point of IPC.
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Plus it makes all the rest of the true neutrals turn to the other side. This basically made it unpassable.
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In Global 1940 Switzerland is impassible, where every other neutral can be attacked and get money from. Why didn’t they let you attack it there?
Uhh, Switzerland is passible. It raises 6 infrantry and doesn’t give you a single point of IPC.
Oops, confused with the other version, my bad.
Kim
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@Quintus:
Plus it makes all the rest of the true neutrals turn to the other side. This basically made it unpassable.
Well, it effectively makes it unfavorable to attack it, and thus inadvisable. But it’s wrong to say it’s impassible. Unpassible is an okay work, like you used.
Kim; you’re fine. Understandable mistake. Just used wrong terminology. ;)
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To model the almost impossible terrain and not make map changes, Switzerland defending land units should take either two hits each and or a fixed deployment based on a value of 4.
Nobody would attack them.
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Switzerland should be 4.
My map also has the Arabian desert impassable, with “Southern Arabia” the British ally tt.
Also has the Pripet marsh - cutting Poland off from Ukraine.
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People are not going to mark up their maps. Keep it at one, just make it for deployment purposes, a 4.
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Also has the Pripet marsh - cutting Poland off from Ukraine.
The map does not have that, forget about Pripet marsh. The territories are too large anyway for such an insignificant area to be represented.
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