Global 2nd edition Q+A ( AAG40.2)

[weddingsinger]

Scenario:  One German sub in sz

Can UK amphibious assault in that seazone if they can bring fighters but no ships?

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I’m assuming its a yes, but IF the sub chooses to join combat, the sub gets to shoot and can destroy one transport for each hit it scores, correct?

[simon33]

No. You need to have an attacking warship (including a sub) to ignore a submarine when doing an amphibious assault.

[Panther]

@weddingsinger:

Scenario:  One German sub in sz

Can UK amphibious assault in that seazone if they can bring fighters but no ships?
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I’m assuming its a yes, but IF the sub chooses to join combat, the sub gets to shoot and can destroy one transport for each hit it scores, correct?

@simon33:

No. You need to have an attacking warship (including a sub) to ignore a submarine when doing an amphibious assault.

To me the scenario reads as if weddingsinger tries to avoid to ignore the submarine (thus avoiding to bring a warship) by “engaging” it with fighters only.
The problem here is that this does not create a sea battle to take out the sub as the fighters have no valid target.

So an amphibious assault can only take place by ignoring the submarine (requiring an escorting warship as simon33 pointed out) or by engaging the enemy submarine and clearing the seazone from the enemy submarine (destroy it or force it to submerge) in a sea battle (requiring a warship, too).

@Rulebook:

Step 1. Sea Combat
If there are defending surface warships and/or
scrambled air units, sea combat occurs. If there are
only defending submarines and/or transports, the
attacker can choose to ignore those units or conduct sea combat.

…

Land combat can only take place if there was no sea battle or
the sea zone has been cleared of all defending enemy units
except transports and submarines that submerged during the
sea battle.

[aequitas-et-veritas]

I had this Situation on an online game a few days ago:

Me Germany attacking sz109 with two SS and two TT’s, amphibing Scotland and freeing Wallace.
Totally overseeing the French Ftr wich is still stationed there, Merde.
French Ftr scrambles but misses 1st Round. Triple a allows me to retreat from 109 but leaving my Groundtroops there (Sco.).

Q: Was this leagal for Germany?
Do the ground units also retreat?
Or did triple a handled it correctly, by letting G TT’s retreat and still letting the ground units amphib Sco.?

Thank you for your response in advance.

[Witt]

Hi AetV. The  two TTs retreat with the ground units on board .They can’t unload, whilst the Ft is alive (and it can’t be killed).  Scotland can’t be captured .

[aequitas-et-veritas]

Thank you Wittmann :wink:

[nhgrif]

Looking for a few clarifications with regards to using an allied nations transports.

Question 1: On America Turn N, America moved loaded transports from SZ91 to SZ110 and conducted an amphibious assault on Normandy, leaving empty transports in SZ110 at the end of its turn.  How quickly can Great Britain get its ground units to Normandy via the American transports?

My current understanding is that British troops can be loaded on Great Britain Turn N, and subsequently unloaded on Great Britain Turn N+1, requiring America to leave the transports where Britain wants to unload from on America’s Turn N+1.

Question 2: This question is about your own troops on your own transports, but I want to be sure to clarify something before question 3.  A nation moves transports with no friendly warships into a completely empty sea zone with intentions of conducting an amphibious assault.  The enemy nation has a territory with an airbase touching this sea zone.  Is the enemy able to scramble planes to attempt killing the transport?  Question 3: Does it matter if the amphibious assault is targeting the territory holding the airbase or not?

I hope the answer to Question 2 is yes (and question 3 is no).  My current understanding is that it is, but more importantly my group has been playing with the rules this way for a little while and I hope we’ve been right all this time.

Question 4: This is the question where I’m most unsure.  America has some number of transports sitting in SZ91.  They are loaded with British troops.  On America’s turn these transports move to SZ95.  Is Great Britain able to unload its troops from America’s transports into an enemy territory (Northern or Southern Italy) in order to attack it?  Question 5: Assuming they can, are any Italian planes allowed to scramble?

I’m not sure how I feel about Question 5 in particular.  It seems like the answer to Question 4 is probably yes, but I may be surprised.  However, it seems weird to allow a situation where a British action on Britain’s turn could result in American units dying on Britain’s turn.  Granted, if there are any planes or boats in range of SZ95 on Italy or Germany’s turns, the transports effectively die for free then anyway, but there’s quite a big difference between them dying before or after their cargo has had a chance to unload and potentially take a territory.

[Panther]

Question 1:

Your understanding is correct.

@rulebook:

Transporting Multinational Forces: Transports
belonging to a friendly power can load and offload
your land units, as long as both powers are at war.
This is a three-step process:
1. You load your land units aboard the friendly
transport on your turn.
2. The transport’s owner moves it (or not) on
that owner’s turn.
3. You offload your land units on your next turn.

Question 2: yes
and
Question 3: no

See

@rulebook:

A quick reaction team of no more than 3 defending
fighters and/or tactical bombers (strategic bombers can’t
scramble) located on each island or coastal territory
that has an operative air base can be scrambled to
defend against attacks in the sea zones adjacent to those
territories. These air units can be scrambled to help
friendly units in adjacent sea zones that have come under
attack. They can also be scrambled to resist amphibious
assaults from adjacent sea zones, whether or not the
territory being assaulted is the territory containing the
air base. They may defend against the enemy ships
conducting the amphibious assault even if friendly ships
are not present. Air units belonging to powers friendly to
the attacked power may be scrambled by their owner if
the owning power is at war with the attacking power, so
long as the limit of 3 total air units is respected.

Question 4 and Question 5:

The British Units can invade Italy during Britain’s turn provided that Italy does not scramble.

@Official:

Scrambling
Q. Say the United Kingdom launches an amphibious assault from a US transport without any
supporting UK sea or air units in the sea zone, and then the defender scrambles. What
happens?
A. In effect, nothing happens. The US transport doesn’t participate in the sea battle because it’s not the
US’s turn. Since there are no attacking sea or air units, there is no sea battle. However, the sea zone
can’t be cleared of defending combat units, so the amphibious assault can’t proceed.

[nhgrif]

So, if the U.S. transport were loaded with ANZAC or French (lol) units and Italy purchased and deployed a boat in that sea zone, then the ANZAC units could not conduct the amphibious assault even without Italy scrambling due to ANZAC not being able to clear the boats from the sea zone, correct?

[Panther]

@nhgrif:

So, if the U.S. transport were loaded with ANZAC or French (lol) units and Italy purchased and deployed a boat in that sea zone, then the ANZAC units could not conduct the amphibious assault even without Italy scrambling due to ANZAC not being able to clear the boats from the sea zone, correct?

Correct, provided the “boat” is a warship.

[simon33]

With Q5, in the event that Britain still attacks, whether or not Britain provides forces to attempt to clear SZ95 the American transports are not destroyed even if there are extra hits left over, but the assault does not proceed. There needs to be an actual scramble to stop the assault - this is important if you want the plane to do something else, like scrambling to SZ97 or intercepting.

[nhgrif]

@simon33:

With Q5, in the event that Britain still attacks, whether or not Britain provides forces to attempt to clear SZ95 the American transports are not destroyed even if there are extra hits left over, but the assault does not proceed. There needs to be an actual scramble to stop the assault - this is important if you want the plane to do something else, like scrambling to SZ97 or intercepting.

So in this case, if Southern Italy were defended by nothing but a single fighter and the allies had 1 transport in SZ95 and 1 transport in SZ97, Italy would have to decide between 3 options:

1. Scramble to SZ95, letting Southern Italy get captured by the British troops invading from SZ97 (and the fighter could land in Northern Italy)
2. Scramble to SZ97, letting Southern Italy get captured by the British troops invading from SZ95 (and the fighter could land in Northern Italy)
3. Defend the land battle and hope 1 fighter can kill whatever is loaded on the two transports.

[simon33]

That’s exactly right.

[A Former User]

Hi there,

USA is not at war yet. Can USA use a UK Naval Base
1.) If UK is not at war, too
2.) If UK is at war.

Thanks in advance.
H.

[Witt]

@Hecatomb If not at war, the US cannot use another nation’s NB.

[A Former User]

Sad.

Thanks for your fast response!

[Witt]

I should also have added that the two nations have to be allied.

[A Former User]

I think it should be pretty clear that an Ally nation couldn’t use an Axis nations’ base and vice versa. 🤔

[Panther]

@Wittmann said in Global 2nd edition Q+A ( AAG40.2):

I should also have added that the two nations have to be allied.

@Hecatomb said in Global 2nd edition Q+A ( AAG40.2):

I think it should be pretty clear that an Ally nation couldn’t use an Axis nations’ base and vice versa.

I think that @Wittmann wanted to point out that being allied is the key to use other power’s bases.
As long as USA is neutral they can’t use other bases. See US restrictions on page 14 Pacific rulebook:

… It [The US] may not move units into territories or onto
ships belonging to another power or use
another power’s naval bases, nor may
another power move land or air units
into its territories or onto its ships or use
its naval bases.

or page 15 Europe rulebook:

… It [A neutral power] can’t move units into or through
territories or onto ships belonging to another power
or use another power’s naval bases, nor can another
power move land or air units into or through its
territories or onto its ships or use its naval bases.

They need to be allied to do so.

[A Former User]

I got it, thanks, I wouldn’t kid anybody.