Global 2nd edition Q+A ( AAG40.2)

[gamerman01]

OK, I just asked because this one is crystal clear on page 17 - in the bullet points
Anyway, you can tell them page 17 for this one!  :-)

[Young Grasshopper]

@Gamerman01:

OK, I just asked because this one is crystal clear on page 17 - in the bullet points
Anyway, you can tell them page 17 for this one!  :-)

Thanks for that, here was the confusion brought up by one of my subscribers…

“In the rule book, i am pretty sure by reading the Pacific book pg 16 that it says the Fighters on both sides only roll the dice if there is an Air Battle”.

[gamerman01]

Yeah, the bullet points on page 16 of the Pacific rulebook are the same as on the Europe rulebook page 17.  
But reading the quote you provided again, they seem to be saying that if there is no air battle, then the fighters don’t roll any dice, and that is correct (that would be if there were escorts, but no interceptors).  He’s not saying only fighters (excluding bombers), he appears to be saying fighters only roll the dice if there is an air battle (direct quote)  :-)

[Young Grasshopper]

@Gamerman01:

Yeah, the bullet points on page 16 of the Pacific rulebook are the same as on the Europe rulebook page 17.
But reading the quote you provided again, they seem to be saying that if there is no air battle, then the fighters don’t roll any dice, and that is correct (that would be if there were escorts, but no interceptors). He’s not saying only fighters (excluding bombers), he appears to be saying fighters only roll the dice if there is an air battle (direct quote) :-)

OK, thanks… I may have made a mistake in my SBR video explanation, I said that once bombers (strategic and or tactical), survive all defense systems (interceptors and built in AA guns)… only then do bombing units declare what facilities they will bomb (as they drop their payload). This is the comment from a youtube subscriber that makes me doubt myself…

My group interprets the rule to read that after the first round of air battle (i.e. after interceptor and escort hits are taken), the remaining attacking units, in this case bombers and tacs, must then declare their targets prior to the second phase. For example, 2 bombers and 2 tacs go on to do the bombings, before the AA shots are rolled, the player conducting the SBR has to choose what his air units are bombing. Once declared, the defending player rolls the AA guns for each defending facility. The concern is that not every IC can be attacked by every plane (for example, tactical bombers can’t hit ICs), and each IC and Facility has their own built-in AA defense under the Rules, so therefore one needs to know which facilities are rolling for which AA hits. If you just roll 4 AA dice without knowing which IC/Facility they are being rolled for, and then get 1 hit and a tac is taken as a casualty, how do you know the die that hit wasn’t being rolled for the IC, in which case it could have only hit a bomber?This appears to require the player conducting the bombing raid declare their targets and specify which planes are attacking which IC and/or Facility. Thoughts

[gamerman01]

After (I did) one read-through, your subscriber appears to understand it correctly.
The attacker has to declare what facilities the tacs/strats are bombing prior to AAA roll but after the air battle, and yes that prevents the tacs from protecting strat bombers at other facilities
That’s just how the rulebook prescribes it
I don’t see anything in that particular comment about who gets to roll in the air battle…… as an aside…

[Young Grasshopper]

@Gamerman01:

After (I did) one read-through, your subscriber appears to understand it correctly.
The attacker has to declare what facilities the tacs/strats are bombing prior to AAA roll but after the air battle, and yes that prevents the tacs from protecting strat bombers at other facilities
That’s just how the rulebook prescribes it
I don’t see anything in that particular comment about who gets to roll in the air battle…… as an aside…

Thanks Gamerman… I have made the correction to my video.

[Young Grasshopper]

@Gamerman01:

After (I did) one read-through, your subscriber appears to understand it correctly.
The attacker has to declare what facilities the tacs/strats are bombing prior to AAA roll but after the air battle, and yes that prevents the tacs from protecting strat bombers at other facilities
That’s just how the rulebook prescribes it
I don’t see anything in that particular comment about who gets to roll in the air battle…… as an aside…

From subscriber…

This is such a complicated and poorly described rule in the manual. Lol. So, my final question would be, if you have 1 strat and 2 tacs making it through to the second phase, the complex and bases will roll 3 dice. Do the rules specify if these rolls are made individually or collectively by the facilities? Meaning, does the complex roll 1 die and then the bases roll the other 2 dice? If the facilities roll 3 dice collectively and get 2 hits, is it fair that the attacker then pick 2 tacs as casualties instead of a strategic and tac?

[gamerman01]

No, the rules are clear
Attacker divides bombers into groups after the air battle

The AAA is rolled by facility, so in his example, the IC rolls 1 die and if it hits, the Strat bomber is destroyed
The base rolls 2 dice and any hits would take down the tactical bombers attacking it

It’s possible to have a mix of strats and tacticals attacking a base if the attacker chose this kind of an attack group.  It is only in that case that when the AAA hits, the attacker can choose.

[simon33]

@Young:

@Gamerman01:

After (I did) one read-through, your subscriber appears to understand it correctly.
The attacker has to declare what facilities the tacs/strats are bombing prior to AAA roll but after the air battle, and yes that prevents the tacs from protecting strat bombers at other facilities
That’s just how the rulebook prescribes it
I don’t see anything in that particular comment about who gets to roll in the air battle…… as an aside…

From subscriber…

This is such a complicated and poorly described rule in the manual. Lol. So, my final question would be, if you have 1 strat and 2 tacs making it through to the second phase, the complex and bases will roll 3 dice. Do the rules specify if these rolls are made individually or collectively by the facilities? Meaning, does the complex roll 1 die and then the bases roll the other 2 dice? If the facilities roll 3 dice collectively and get 2 hits, is it fair that the attacker then pick 2 tacs as casualties instead of a strategic and tac?

Indeed, this is a bug in Triple-A 1.809 fixed in 1.9. Perhaps the confusion comes from the old bug?

[KaLeu]

There’s been some debate on this thread: http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=38462.45
as to how the rule “When not yet at war with the United States, in addition to the normal restrictions, Japan
may not end the movement of its sea units within 2 sea zones of the United States’ mainland territories (Western United States and Alaska)” should be interpreted - specifically, where to start counting those 2 sea zones.

In effect, the question boils down to whether Japan, while not at war with the US, may end its move in any of the following sea zones: 4, 7, 13, 14, 15, 26, 27, 28.

Can we have an official ruling on this one please?

[gamerman01]

Sure,
Every single one of those sea zones you listed are legal for Japan.  They are three zones from WUS and Alaska, the way the rule book intends it to be counted.

Z10 counts as 1 zone, for example, and Zone 9 is the second zone so Zone 9 is off limits.
Z8 and Z3 are not allowed for Japan movement, but 4 and 7 are

I know this for sure because Krieghund answered it for us in the past - we had the same question

[simon33]

Is there any impediment to landing fighters on a newly mobilised carrier when that carrier is being mobilised into a hostile sea zone?

[Ozymandiac]

@simon33:

Is there any impediment to landing fighters on a newly mobilised carrier when that carrier is being mobilised into a hostile sea zone?

From the rule book:
“You can place fighters and tactical bombers into territories containing an industrial complex controlled by your power from the start of your turn, or on an aircraft carrier owned by your power in a sea zone (even a hostile one) adjacent to a territory with such an industrial complex.”

[KaLeu]

@Gamerman01:

Sure,
Every single one of those sea zones you listed are legal for Japan.  They are three zones from WUS and Alaska, the way the rule book intends it to be counted.

Z10 counts as 1 zone, for example, and Zone 9 is the second zone so Zone 9 is off limits.
Z8 and Z3 are not allowed for Japan movement, but 4 and 7 are

I know this for sure because Krieghund answered it for us in the past - we had the same question

Thank you! I was leaning toward thinking those sea zones wouldn’t be accessible but opinions were divided, so thanks for clearing this up.

[simon33]

@Ozymandiac:

@simon33:

Is there any impediment to landing fighters on a newly mobilised carrier when that carrier is being mobilised into a hostile sea zone?

From the rule book:
“You can place fighters and tactical bombers into territories containing an industrial complex controlled by your power from the start of your turn, or on an aircraft carrier owned by your power in a sea zone (even a hostile one) adjacent to a territory with such an industrial complex.”

I was thinking of landing an existing fighter on a newly mobilised carrier.

[Ozymandiac]

@simon33:

I was thinking of landing an existing fighter on a newly mobilised carrier.

Sorry, I misread.

Also from the rulebook:

“A fighter or tactical bomber can land in a sea zone (even a hostile one) that is adjacent to an industrial complex you own if you will be mobilizing an aircraft carrier that you previously purchased in that zone during the Mobilize New Units phase.”

So there is no impedement, you can land fighters on a carrier you will be mobilizing, even in a hostile sea zone.

[simon33]

Thanks. That’s great!

[Omega1759]

In a battle, air units and submarines participate. The defending naval units are eliminated and the defender has lost all its sea units. That is, the naval part of the battle is one and the air battle continues.

If the attacker decides to retreat, can the sub follow along? I would normally not think of this because the software would guide us through it, but I’m in a situation where I need to edit a casualty choice and restore the board.

Thanks for your input!

[gamerman01]

When air units retreat, they stay in the contested zone temporarily.
Land and naval units retreat together as prescribed by the rule book (naval units cannot retreat to a zone that was hostile at the beginning of the turn, but can retreat to any zone that any of the attacking naval units passed through)

The answer is yes, the subs can retreat to a zone that naval units came from or passed through, but only subs that were never submerged.  The attacker could submerge the subs on any given round(s) that combat is still going on in order to keep the subs in the combat zone while the air retreats.  Each sub submerges individually, so a combination of retreating and staying could possibly be accomplished.

[Omega1759]

@Gamerman01:

When air units retreat, they stay in the contested zone temporarily.
Land and naval units retreat together as prescribed by the rule book (naval units cannot retreat to a zone that was hostile at the beginning of the turn, but can retreat to any zone that any of the attacking naval units passed through)

The answer is yes, the subs can retreat to a zone that naval units came from or passed through, but only subs that were never submerged.  The attacker could submerge the subs on any given round(s) that combat is still going on in order to keep the subs in the combat zone while the air retreats.  Each sub submerges individually, so a combination of retreating and staying could possibly be accomplished.

Thank you! I’ll watch for how AAA does this, it probably asks if attacking subs want to submerge or retreat first, then ask for all other units.