Yes, it should, but since the game has been obsoleted by a 2nd edition, it probably will not be. However, in cases like this where a rule is clarified in the 2nd edition which also exists in the 1st edition, it’s safe to apply the clarification retroactively to the 1st edition as well.
A&A: 1942 Edition
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Why does anyone care about this game if you already have AA50 ? How many people played classic after revised came out? I’m not sure I understand what all the fuss is about.
Well for me, the only thing I was very disappointed with in AA:50 were the unit sculpts.
I felt that for a 100 dollar deluxe edition of A&A the unit sculpts should have been nicer.
So the main fuss for me would be if this game has nicer units.
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i’m rather amazed myself and pleased that they gave us something at least.
on the other hand, they still haven’t directly responded to my (our) reply…
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Why does anyone care about this game if you already have AA50 ? How many people played classic after revised came out? I’m not sure I understand what all the fuss is about.
I still play Classic, all the games play out quite differently. Go to the classic forum, you’ll see the interest is still there by some.
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I didn’t get into AA until Revised was out, eventually I’d like to see what Classic was like. Only heard stories from a friend about what it was like.
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old man sitting around the fire - “once upon a time axis and allies original was played, and there was no revised rules for transports and submarines, and russia used to stand a chance”
:-D
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for the price of 35.00 I doubt that the units/sculpts will be any different. I have everything but revised and D day and don’t see any significant differences in quality in the units from those games.
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I doubt that the units/sculpts will be any different
Its been confirmed that they are new, but yes they may be the same unit used ( e.g. Americans have a new version of the Sherman as the replacement tank… it will have more detail and look better) Of course the artillery will all be different and pieces include new infantry sculpts as well.
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So the new sculpts are the only reason that makes the 1942 Edition worth buying for someone who already owns AA50?
I’m asking because AA50 is my first and one and only AA-game I ever owned and played.
Considering the fact that there is a 1942 scenario, Italy as 6th playable nation, improved rules, new units etc. in AA50, what could make the 1942 Edition interesting for me (as AA Newbie)… ?Or is the 1942 Edition interesting for “revised-enthusiasts” only who can’t wait for an improved update?
What do you think?
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well concepts from AA50 seem to make their way to this game, so what you got is evolution of the game taking the best ideas from different AA games. But the map and set up would be different because cruisers now make their appearance.
But for $25 bucks you got a new set of pieces for 5 nations and that is what you will use for AA50…basically swapping the pieces. I think Larry finally got the message from the piece junkies who wanted new pieces.
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I belive that when this game is released in august, it will be our greatest hour.
Yes, I will defenitely purchase it.
I love my A&A 50 Ann edition, as a luxery game for special ocations with adults only.
This new game will be what we play everyday. Got some spare time a monday evening, well pull out the 1942 editon and play a shorty with the kids.
We need both editions.
If you dont need it, dont buy it.
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@Imperious:
well concepts from AA50 seem to make their way to this game, so what you got is evolution of the game taking the best ideas from different AA games. But the map and set up would be different because cruisers now make their appearance.
But for $25 bucks you got a new set of pieces for 5 nations and that is what you will use for AA50…basically swapping the pieces. I think Larry finally got the message from the piece junkies who wanted new pieces.
Why would cruisers effect the map? You mean sea zones would be cut different b/c of the bombardment of cruisers?
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@Craig:
@Imperious:
I doubt that the units/sculpts will be any different
Its been confirmed that they are new, but yes they may be the same unit used ( e.g. Americans have a new version of the Sherman as the replacement tank… it will have more detail and look better) Of course the artillery will all be different and pieces include new infantry sculpts as well.
Please show us specific info to verify your statements.
Where is it stated that they are going to produce new sculpts for the pieces in this version? …
I am not saying that they aren’t going to change some of the plastic parts, I am just saying that it is highly unlikely that they are going to do this, based solely on their previous track record. Until I see something to the contrary, I am not going to put any hope into the idea that they would fix this issue.
Craig
I have to think this as well.
There are any number of changes they could introduce but ‘new’ sculpts (beyond what was introduced in AAAniv) seem likely to be pretty far down the list.
It seems likely there are two motivations for this release on WOTC/Hasbro/AH part:
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Sell the hard core yet another A&A set.
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Get something at the Revised price point and niche out on the shelves having likely sold through (?) all the Revised production run.
Update
Well it looks like IL might be on the mark according to the product page at AH.
Axis & Allies: Spring 1942 details:
Rulebook updated by Larry Harris, creator of the Axis & Allies game system
Packaging, play components, and game board map feature updated art
370 game pieces featuring refreshed sculpts plus new models for cruisers
Updated naval unit rules as debuted in Axis & Allies Anniversary Edition
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@Craig:
“Refreshed” is still too vague for my tastes.
Good point. ‘Refreshed’ might simply mean they found a way to make them with less plastic.
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@Subotai:
This means that the AA42 map will be the same as today, except different colors and drawing? Not new territories?
Rules will be the same as AA50, with exception of the NOs? And same or old tech rules?Unit costs, SBR, naval rules are sure enough, but how about NOs in AA42? Imo it could be interesting if it’s implemented. And this means that tech is optional in AA42.
Also, the 2 new optional rules which was added after AA50 was released will probably be optional rules in AA42.
I think Revised (AA42) can be fun even if AA50 is still teh real deal.Then why buy it if you have revised and the anniversary edition???
You have the map (revised). You have the units. You have the rules. All you need for the game.
If this is “revised + cruiser unit + rules” its a waste of your money.
It could be different…but somehow I’m doubting it given the history of AH/WOTC…
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If this is “revised + cruiser unit + rules+ normal map that looks like a map + fixed rules+ all new pieces” its a great use of your money.
Yes i agree!
The new pieces will replace my AA50 pieces for $25 bucks sans the Italians, which FMG is doing shortly. Perfect!
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It’s definitely lots of f2f players on this board who are concerned about visual design and aesthetics.
I’m more concerned about rule changes and such, what will be incorporated from AA50. It’s more important if AA42 has more territories than revised then the change of colors and map art.What WOTC have said in plain text is that some rules from AA50 will make it into the AA42. They use the word “utilize”, what does that really mean?
1. To make use of.
2. To make do with something not normally used for the purpose.[2]
3. To use to its fullest extent, potential, or ability.
4. To take advantage of.We can only speculate to what features from AA50 will make it into the AA42, but I’m hoping for as much as possible. With tech as an optional rule, and NOs are optional in AA50, I can see only positive aspects in implementing these rules into AA42, although I hope if AA42 include NOs there will be fewer NOs (for each nation) than in AA50.
Naval rules are already confirmed, and it would be very weird if not AA50 SBR rules will be included in AA42.
What we’re left with for uncertain factors, are more TTs, NOs, tech, changes in setup units for all powers. The turn order can not be changed since there will be 3 allied powers and 2 axis powers in AA42.How bout some spy missions to get some intelligence on all the details in AA42?
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If this is “revised + cruiser unit + rules” its a waste of your money.
I agree. On the flip side, $25 isn’t too much to ask to have an replacement set of units. Still I’m looking for better quality units, not more of them.
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Then why buy it if you have revised and the anniversary edition???
I probably won’t buy it, just like I didn’t buy revised and AA50. I would buy both games if it was a software version which was way better than triplea. Since triplea is freeware we shouldn’t expect too much, but for live games triplea is the best there is today. I know some players prefer GTO, and in some aspects GTO is better than triplea, but overall, the GTO version of A&A cannot compete with triplea imo.
A&A games have sold close to 2 mill. copies, with 1,5 billion Internet users, then why is there no official software versions of all A&A games designed by Larry Harris?? Forget about strategic AI, make software versions available for all platforms, the company (Avalon Hill or WOTC) sets up a server in which we can host and join games.
But for those who mainly plays the boardgame f2f, if AA42 doesn’t come with much more than new rules and new art drawings, there’s no incentive to buy it, you can just use the old revised board and the plastic units from AA50. That’s why AA42 probably will have some slight changes to the map, with only one or two more territories A&A fans will buy AA42 rather than using an obsolete revised map.
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If I am WOTC, Mr Leeds is it;
1)I have already paid for the development of new game rules with AA50, lets add them too AAR$.
2)I have already paid for a new map, lets add this to AAR, sans Italy-repaint it as German territory, wait someone was critical of the dark borders, change to light$.
3)I have already paid for new box art, lets add this to AAR$.
4)I can cut money out-lower costs increase profit$.
5)I have already paid for new sculpts-lets add them to AAR, less Italy$.
- I have already paid for cruisers units-lets add them to the AAR game$.
7)There does seem to be some minor interest in this game, they bought out my limited run of AA50 at twice the cost of a regular game, emm, it does not cost much to repackage AA50 lite and rebrand as something new-I already paid for everything this is all profit$.
God, I hope I am wrong. The jaded sox I wear.
IL, are you firm on new Mech INF?
This would indicate, someone has convinced them, an opportunity exists, to do something more then just rehash AA50 lite. -
If we think more on the lines that someone serious about game design will be involved in the development of the game, and that they think on the lines of a shorter but still well balanced game, let’s see how they can replace some of the complicated but good changes in AA50:
NOs, advantage: makes for a more historical game with a stronger Pacific theater, disadvantage: high learning curve, complicates and prolongs the game. Alternate way of doing the same thing: simply make each VC count for 5 IPCs of income, gets the same effect and this change can be balanced by adjustment to the IPC value of territories.
Italy, adv.: more fun Mediterranean campaign, disadv.: a power no-one wants to play, problems balance-wise (Caucasus invasions). Alternative: make Italy into a minor power, controlled by Germany but with money separate, close the Dardanelles.
China, adv.: more historical Pacific campaign, slows down JTDTM, disadv.: a whole page of extra rules, still of marginal effect. Alternative: make China into a minor power, controlled by USA but with separate IPCs and an IC.
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