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Presidential Election (as a current event- watch the tone or it's gone)
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I think he will the instant that supporting the military will no longer get him or keep him in power.
Not because he dislikes the military, but he knows his constituency dislikes the military. Right now he needs to support the military to stay a Senator and to play to the people as if he is a Conservative. Once elected, he won’t need to support the military anymore, in fact, it might HURT him as I suspect he’ll change parties once elected. I suspect he wants to be a Democrat, but knew his best chances were to get the Republican nomination and run against Hillary and/or Obama then to attempt to run against them in the Democrat party in the primary. After he is elected President, he can declare a new allegiance with the people he identifies with and get them to re-elect him in 2016.
Of course, if he loses, and I can almost predict with 100% certainty that he will lose in November if he survives Super Tuesday, he’ll have to keep pretending to support the military while secretly working to undermine the Republican party and working with the leadership of the Democrat party.
Honestly, we should move his chair to the left side of the aisle. He’s gotta be getting muscle cramps from stretching his hand over the aisle to vote with the democrats all the time.
But that’s just the way I, as an individual, see it. And I am sure I am not alone. There’s quite a few scientific and unscientific polls out there that show that with McCain as the Republican Nominee that Republican turnout will be the lowest since after Nixon’s resignation.
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how’d you do that?! :lol:
and just stop it, his constituency is not liberals. not matter how much you yourself want it to be.
and dont worry, there are tons of people who will go to the polls to vote against hillary. even though you will vote for her. b/c you’re such the republican supporter….
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I don’t care what I think of his constituency. What matters is that all the polls SHOW his constituency consider themselves to be liberals.
I posted the poll for Florida before. Of his voters, over 60% considered themselves liberal or moderately liberal. That means he only had 30-something % conservative voters.
That’s his constituency.
On the flip side, Romney had about the exact opposite. More of his voters (think it was in the upper 50%s if I remember right) thought they were conservative or moderately conservative.
Live in denial all you want, Balung. You are free to do so. But even the guys voting for McCain are overwhelmingly considering themselves as liberals, not conservatives. Considering McCain’s endorsements all come from liberals and liberal publications, it’s no surprise many people in this nation do not view him as the conservative candidate.
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rambo is not liberal…… :x
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Ever hear of moderates, you know, the majority of the nation?
Always got to be black/white, good/bad, light/dark to make it easy for you, I know…
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then there needs to be a moderat party, not people claiming to be conservative or liberal and in reality being the other. the problem with McCain is that he claims to be Conservative but he isn’t, atleast no where near as much as the base that he is trying to get is.
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Ever hear of moderates, you know, the majority of the nation?
Yea, I heard of them. They’re almost extinct as a species. Maybe they should go to the Democrat party and make them a bit more moderate? Instead of letting the really weird people keep running that party? (I’m not talking the politicians, I’m talking about the REALLY weird ones, the ones with tin foil hats that congregate at Moveon.org and Media Matters.)
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The problem is Jermo, that there are no moderates that run for office, there are only extremists. We have socialists such as Clinton, and advocacies of theocracy such as Huckabee running for office. There are no more realists left in this world, only fools who wish to implement the same failed policies over and over, as the Eagle gasps for breath.
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I am not sure what to think about this but Huckleberry said on TV that Chuck Norris was going to be his defense minister if he were elected. If this is not a joke that man must be insane to make such a claim. I heard it while typing i didnt actually see if he was laughing or something. Can anybody confirm?
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and stephen colbert is to be his vice president. i take it he’s probably still just joking.
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then there needs to be a moderat party, not people claiming to be conservative or liberal and in reality being the other. the problem with McCain is that he claims to be Conservative but he isn’t, atleast no where near as much as the base that he is trying to get is.
Not sure how a moderate party would work. I just know that a majority of people can agree on key issues. But there are some emotional, new, or complex issues that generally divide us…or the methods of addressing issues are desirable by some but not by others.
But most of all, I don’t think any of the candidates stand particular for the beliefs their party is supposed to uphold. They only latch on to the key issues that get voters attention and do what will most likely get them elected.
@Cmdr:
Yea, I heard of them. They’re almost extinct as a species. Maybe they should go to the Democrat party and make them a bit more moderate? Instead of letting the really weird people keep running that party? (I’m not talking the politicians, I’m talking about the REALLY weird ones, the ones with tin foil hats that congregate at Moveon.org and Media Matters.)
What the hell are you talking about? If anything, the party that has been usurped by religious megalomaniacs and run this country south for 8 years needs some moderation.
@M36:
The problem is Jermo, that there are no moderates that run for office, there are only extremists. We have socialists such as Clinton, and advocacies of theocracy such as Huckabee running for office. There are no more realists left in this world, only fools who wish to implement the same failed policies over and over, as the Eagle gasps for breath.
I’m glad you haven’t seen real extremism. Those two are pretty mild compared to some (rare) fringe members.
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@M36:
We have socialists such as Clinton
Wait… Hillary Clinton… ? Socialist? :-o
She definitely fits the description… Biggest example in my mind at the time: Wasn’t she the one that wanted to instigate a State Run Health Care Program back when her husband was in the White House?
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AFAIK she’s a socialist/communist. (Communist in the mold of China and the Soviet Union; socialist in the mold of the actual definition.) She wants to seize the pharmaceutical companies and the medical providers and force them to be equitable to everyone (which will result in Americans going to SE Asia and Scandinavia to get medical treatment instead of America accepting Canadians, Europeans, etc here for medical treatment. A faster devaluation of the US Dollar.)
But I still think she’s a better choice then McCain. Though, the point was raised that McCain’s heart is NOT good. He’s had a few heart attacks recently. So if he choses a good, strong conservative for his VP, we might vote for him in the hopes he dies or retires and the VP can take over. Not that I wish death on any man.
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Huckabe has won his secound state. W. Varginia for 18 delagates.
it started as a 3 way dead lock between McCain, Huck, and Mitt.
at the last recount the McCain delagates went to Huck to give him the win so not to give Mitt the win. -
Pretty much. You had to get 50% in W. Virginia to get the state. In the first poll Mitt had 41%, Huckabee had like 17 and McCain like 14. Not sure on the second two numbers, but it was Mitt, Huck and John in that order.
After the recount, Huckabee suddenly jumped WAY up. Weird, but whatever. At least McCain doesn’t get the delegates either.
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if i may jump in
i dont know much about McCain
but i ll say one thing
McCain is not Bush! McCain is not Reagan. He is McCain.
an altough he is from republican party he can alongside with partys policy have a standpoints of his own in some issues
and in some way its good that these two partys arent so much confronted
McCain is older, and much more experienced than others nonethelles the years he has, and plus that…
In some issues he is maybe much more liberal then others in Republican party, or in some is even liberal-to some levelbut isnt that the necessity, i dont know the issues but, somehow its seems that this two partys are confronted like two poles.
and myself, altough i am conservative rather than liberal, have to admit that in many issue liberal parties are right and the conservative ones are not, and in the same time in some issues conservative parties stand for better values and liberal arent. the thing why i lean to conservative is that in the most important/more important issues conservative stand for better values and solutions. thats my per.opi.
and this ˝are right˝ dont mean literally, maybe it can be , but you know what i mean :mrgreen:
so what i am trying to say is that only very wise conservatives can be liberal when its good to be, and vice versa, there is much risk about the votes, since the ˝loyal party voters˝ will shrug off McCain, Ok, he can count on that
but i am sure he will win some votes of the democrat, and what is even more important of neutral, or voters which havent been on last elections, thats just my opinion, i dont know your status there, ˝how the people breathe˝ about this issue…
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That may be true, but McCain is CLAIMING to be Reagan and his RECORD is very close to Bush, only more radical. More radical in support of the military, and more radical in support of democrat style legislation.
So it’s pretty safe to say that he will sign off on legislation that Bush would have approved and would push for the war in Iraq as much or more then Bush.
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McCain supports the US imposing tax’s for global warmming as well. the price tag to the US is $1.2 Trillion i think is the number. i don’t know if thats a bill we the people can pay for something that isn’t proven to be man made and also that the tax and spending hike isn’t proven to have any effect on the problem.
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