Global War 1940 2nd ed.

[baron Münchhausen]

@SS:

Transport rule.
Basic combat value and defense of Transport:
1 TP each gets a D@2 against attacking planes only. No Defense against all ships.

1 TP each gets a D@2 against planes only with planes and all ships attacking together.
[[i]No escape rolls. Unless just planes left from attacker.]  I don’t understand the meaning of this sentence. Sorry.

When attackers is against Transports without escort:
1 TP each gets a D@2 against planes attacking alone only against TP’s.
Each surviving TP gets a escape roll after the attackers roll per combat round.

1 TP each gets no Defense against attacking ships only attacking TP’s.
Each surviving TP gets a escape roll after the attackers roll per combat round.

I will look more into it. Is it the same rule as you played?
I have a doubt…

Which one of these options best % for transports to escape ? Before attack or after attack. You would think before attack.

Still think a First Strike sub should get a shot before only transports left roll for escape.
These two sentences seems to contradict.
I will go with which ever one has the better escape %.

If you use @1 on D12, you might goes straight from the start and get an AA roll realistic defense. For a simpler and straight rule.

No matter what is happening: TP get an evade roll @1 in the same phase as Sub elects to submerge or not.

During combat, if there is enemy’s plane attacking: all TPs have to roll @1 against enemy’s plane for defense.
Otherwise, no defense roll for TPs.

Repeat each combat round.

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Now, even if all transports get both roll @1 to escape and @1 to kill a plane, the sum is only 2 out of 12.

I really feel in your system above, TPs can have their cake (@2 to defend vs planes) and eat it (@2 to escape) when enemy’s planes are present.

@SS:

I changed the rule but may keep the old one with TP escape roll before combat.

I will decide on rule when and if you can come up with %s. I just want 2 numbers if possible.  :-D

Am I wrong on these numbers about two @2 rolls for TPs?

This would be very unusual to get both capacity.
Even Subs have to decide: submerge or roll for defense or attack.

Please explains this too:

1 TP each gets a D@2 against planes only with planes and all ships attacking together.
[[i]No escape rolls. Unless just planes left from attacker.]  I don’t understand the meaning of this sentence. Sorry.

[General 6 Stars]

@Baron:

@SS:

Transport rule.
Basic combat value and defense of Transport:
1 TP each gets a D@2 against attacking planes only. No Defense against all ships.

1 TP each gets a D@2 against planes only with planes and all ships attacking together.
[[i]No escape rolls. Unless just planes left from attacker.]  I don’t understand the meaning of this sentence. Sorry.

If ships and planes are attacking transports only the transport only gets a defense shot at planes. If no planes or ships attacking together than the transport gets its escape roll.

When attackers is against Transports without escort:
1 TP each gets a D@2 against planes attacking alone only against TP’s.
Each surviving TP gets a escape roll after the attackers roll per combat round.

1 TP each gets no Defense against attacking ships only attacking TP’s.
Each surviving TP gets a escape roll after the attackers roll per combat round.

I will look more into it. Is it the same rule as you played?
I have a doubt…

Which one of these options best % for transports to escape ? Before attack or after attack. You would think before attack.

Still think a First Strike sub should get a shot before only transports left roll for escape.
These two sentences seems to contradict.
I will go with which ever one has the better escape %.

If you use @1 on D12, you might goes straight from the start and get an AA roll realistic defense. For a simpler and straight rule.

No matter what is happening: TP get an evade roll @1 in the same phase as Sub elects to submerge or not.

During combat, if there is enemy’s plane attacking: all TPs have to roll @1 against enemy’s plane for defense.
Otherwise, no defense roll for TPs.

Repeat each combat round.

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Now, even if all transports get both roll @1 to escape and @1 to kill a plane, the sum is only 2 out of 12.

I really feel in your system above, TPs can have their cake (@2 to defend vs planes) and eat it (@2 to escape) when enemy’s planes are present.

@SS:

I changed the rule but may keep the old one with TP escape roll before combat.

I will decide on rule when and if you can come up with %s. I just want 2 numbers if possible.  :-D

Am I wrong on these numbers about two @2 rolls for TPs?

I was only looking for a couple of numbers for % on which option was better.

This would be very unusual to get both capacity.
Even Subs have to decide: submerge or roll for defense or attack.

Please explains this too:

1 TP each gets a D@2 against planes only with planes and all ships attacking together.
[[i]No escape rolls. Unless just planes left from attacker.]  I don’t understand the meaning of this sentence. Sorry.

Explained above.

Rule now.

1…Ships only attacking lone transports. - After all attackers combat rolls per round, ea TP gets a escape roll @2
2. Planes only attacking lone transports - After all attackers combat rolls per round, all TP"s roll a @2 against a plane
or the casualty TP’s get there D@2 shot at a plane and any surviving TP"s that decides not to defend against the planes can get a escape roll@2.

3. When ships and planes attacking lone transports, All TP’s get a D@2 against planes only. No escape roll.
4. When ships and planes attacking escorted transports, All TP’s get a D@2 against planes only. No escape roll.

Rule 2 maybe up for debate.

This is it. Final decision.

[baron Münchhausen]

Ok, I see it more clearly.

After all attacker’s rolls are done, is it the moment you make your TPs status?
If all escorting units are behind casualty lines, TPs may roll for evade, when allowed according to rule? Or, said otherwise, as long as at least 1 escorting unit is not hit, no evade.

About rule #2, from a few game play with this kind of rule, I’m pretty sure this kind of choice can drag down the combat and casualty process.

Why not use the rule of thumb of WWII The Expansion: when enemy’s plane are present, no escape roll? TPs are simply treated as combat unit each with 1 hit, since they get a defense roll.
So, both planes alone and planes+warships attacking are treated the same way: no escape roll, until all enemy’s plane are shooted down. So it becomes the last situation:

Last case, when only warships, then escape roll is allowed.

TPs rolling defensive AA along other escorting units, or making an escape roll give better odds simply because, even escorted at start  of combat round, all escort units can be casualties and allows TPs 1 more opportunity to roll. And it is simpler to apply while Subs get their attack and shot at TP, at least one time.

[General 6 Stars]

Yes Rule *2 was debatable. Did think about no escape when only planes attacking.

Whats another 5 mins in game for more die rolling.

New Rule 2 -  Planes only attacking lonely transports - After all attackers combat rolls per round, ea TP gets a D@2 roll against planes only. No escape.

[baron Münchhausen]

Not so much about 5 minutes more or less.
More about micromanagement of all details.
Subs and DDs already special treatment 1 for 1 in your game, for instance.

Principles are good, it was to find the best way to apply them.

[baron Münchhausen]

@SS:

Yes Rule *2 was debatable. Did think about no escape when only planes attacking.

Whats another 5 mins in game for more die rolling.

New Rule 2 -  Planes only attacking lonely transports - After all attackers combat rolls per round, ea TP gets a D@2 roll against planes only. No escape.

I believe it is wrapped up.

It is all about dice rolling for all alone TPs.
If TPs can roll to defend (vs aircraft) it is good and when TP can no more, then it rolls for escape.

[General 6 Stars]

@Baron:

@SS:

Yes Rule *2 was debatable. Did think about no escape when only planes attacking.

Whats another 5 mins in game for more die rolling.

New Rule 2 -  Planes only attacking lonely transports - After all attackers combat rolls per round, ea TP gets a D@2 roll against planes only. No escape.

I believe it is wrapped up.

It is all about dice rolling for all alone TPs.
If TPs can roll to defend (vs aircraft) it is good and when TP can no more, then it rolls for escape.

Correct. Thanks again.

[Imperious Leader]

W/o the math, what is the final unit attributes for transport?

[General 6 Stars]

@Imperious:

W/o the math, what is the final unit attributes for transport?

You mean
                        D12

Planes only attacking lone transports. All transports get a @2 at planes.  No escape.

Ships only attacking lone transports. All surviving transports get a roll of @2 after all attackers roll after each round of combat.

Ships and planes attacking transports with escorts. Transports only shoot at planes@2.

[Imperious Leader]

ok

[baron Münchhausen]

@SS:

@Imperious:

W/o the math, what is the final unit attributes for transport?

You mean
                       D12

Planes only attacking lone transports. All transports get a @2 at planes.  No escape.

Ships only attacking lone transports. All surviving transports get a roll of @2 after all attackers roll after each round of combat.

Ships and planes attacking transports with escorts. Transports only shoot at planes@2.

Transport, always taken as last casualty, can only escape when alone and against warships only.

Otherwise, each get an AA roll against aircraft once per combat round, if any available.

Not to your taste IMO.

[General 6 Stars]

Ah maybe. That’s the shortest answer I’ve ever scene from IL. :-D

[baron Münchhausen]

@SS:

Ah maybe. That’s the shortest answer I’ve ever scene from IL. :-D

:-D

[Imperious Leader]

Its ok, but i favored the one that carry’s 3 planes and takes 2 hits. a 8-8-4-8 leviathan

[General 6 Stars]

I was thinking of giving 1 point per group of Islands. I don’t want to get carried away here. Or instead of giving out NO’s for each country in game maybe give each country some king of a number of controlled territories gives you just 1 point. It could give you a bit more of something to capture if needing 1 point for a win but maybe to hard to get that 2 point victory city for a win when you only need 1 point for a win.

I don’t have NO’s in game. I don’t believe in most of them in a game.  But I know there in game for strategies and added money. I can only see 1 NO for each country only for oil, supplies and minerals.

[baron Münchhausen]

@SS:

I was thinking of giving 1 point per group of Islands. I don’t want to get carried away here. Or instead of giving out NO’s for each country in game maybe give each country some king of a number of controlled territories gives you just 1 point. It could give you a bit more of something to capture if needing 1 point for a win but maybe to hard to get that 2 point victory city for a win when you only need 1 point for a win.

I don’t have NO’s in game. I don’t believe in most of them in a game.  But I know there in game for strategies and added money. I can only see 1 NO for each country only for oil, supplies and minerals.

I think it is an interesting an idea to give 1 Victory point for this National Objective.
But, as usual, devil is in details.
We can easily think about Japan controlling both Borneo-Celebes and Java-Sumatra (DEI?)
Or Germany going for either Middle-East or Caucasus as the resource territory.

Maybe, for Allies this can be something else beyond resources but more about liberating major Territories?

The main issue about NO is to be easily remembered by both sides because Axis players have to remember their opponents NOs, and vice-versa.

[General 6 Stars]

I could just go with 1 point for axis and 1 point for allies. So for each side come up with some combination of territories.

[baron Münchhausen]

OK
Maybe there is something amongst these various options?
@Young:

YOUNG GRASSHOPPER’S G40 TOURNAMENT RULES

Victory Objectives & Tokens: New Victory Condition Rule

Once a victory objective has been achieved, a victory token will be awarded, the side with the most victory tokens at the end of the day will win the game. Victory tokens are awarded immediately upon completion regardless of when, or how the objective was achieved. Victory tokens may never be awarded twice for the same objective, and they may never be taken away once earned. It does not matter which round the game ends, as long as the last game round was completed.

Here is a list of all victory objectives for each side…

Axis Powers

London -The Axis control London
(FOW) *The nation that takes control
Moscow -The Axis control Moscow
(FOW) *The nation that takes control
Sydney
-The Axis control Sydney
(FOW) *The nation that takes control
Asia
-The Axis control the Burma road as well as Hong Kong and Shanghai
(FOW) *Japan

Africa
-The Axis control Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Tobruk, Alexandria, and Egypt.
(FOW) *The nation that controls the most
Europe
-The Axis control 7 victory cities on the Europe map
_(FOW) *The nation that controls the most

Pacific -The Axis control 6 victory cities on the Pacific map
(FOW) *The nation that controls the most

Supremacy
-There are no American Capital ships on the board
(FOW) *Japan

Economy
-All 3 Axis powers have a combined total of 142 IPCs on the income tracker (NOs not included)
(FOW) *The nation that is earning the most
Allied Powers

Berlin
-The Allies control Berlin
(FOW) *The nation that takes control
Tokyo
-The Allies control Tokyo
(FOW) *The nation that takes control
Rome
-The Allies control Rome
(FOW) *The nation that takes control

Asia
-The Allies control the Burma road as well as Hong Kong and Shanghai
(FOW) *The United Kingdom

Africa -The Allied powers control all non-neutral territories on the continent of Africa
(FOW) *The nation that controls the most
Paris
-The Allies have liberated Paris
(FOW) *The nation that liberates it
Philippines
-The Allies have liberated the Philippines, or have controlled it for the entire game
(FOW) *The United States

Supremacy
-There are no Japanese Capital ships on the board
(FOW) *The United States

Russia
-The Soviet Union controls 6 original Axis territories
(FOW) *The Soviet Union

Bonus Income: New & Modified National Objectives

Axis National Objectives

Germany (in addition to all original NOs)
-5 IPCs if an Axis power controls London

Japan (in addition to all original NOs)
-5 IPCs if Japan controls all original Chinese territories

Allied National Objectives

Soviet Union (2 NOs which will replace the original National Prestige NO)
-5 IPCs if there are no Axis warships in sea zone #125, and the Allies control Archangel as well as London
-5 IPCs if there are no Allied units on any original Russian territories

United States (in addition to all original NOs)
-5 IPCs if the United States are at war with the Axis powers

UK Europe (in addition to all original NOs)

• 5 IPC’s if there are no enemy submarines in the Atlantic, excluding szs 112 and 125-127.

ANZAC (in addition to all original NOs)
-5 IPCs if the Allies control Cairo (when at war with Germany and Italy)

What about this one?
Supremacy
-There are no Japanese Capital ships on the board
(FOW) *The United States

And this one?
Economy
-All 3 Axis powers have a combined total of 142 IPCs on the income tracker (NOs not included)
(FOW) *The nation that is earning the most_

[General 6 Stars]

@Baron:

OK
Maybe there is something amongst these various options?
@Young:

YOUNG GRASSHOPPER’S G40 TOURNAMENT RULES

Victory Objectives & Tokens: New Victory Condition Rule

Once a victory objective has been achieved, a victory token will be awarded, the side with the most victory tokens at the end of the day will win the game. Victory tokens are awarded immediately upon completion regardless of when, or how the objective was achieved. Victory tokens may never be awarded twice for the same objective, and they may never be taken away once earned. It does not matter which round the game ends, as long as the last game round was completed.

Here is a list of all victory objectives for each side…

Axis Powers

London -The Axis control London
(FOW) *The nation that takes control
Moscow -The Axis control Moscow
(FOW) *The nation that takes control
Sydney
-The Axis control Sydney
(FOW) *The nation that takes control
Asia
-The Axis control the Burma road as well as Hong Kong and Shanghai
(FOW) *Japan

Africa
-The Axis control Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Tobruk, Alexandria, and Egypt.
(FOW) *The nation that controls the most
Europe
-The Axis control 7 victory cities on the Europe map
_(FOW) *The nation that controls the most

Pacific -The Axis control 6 victory cities on the Pacific map
(FOW) *The nation that controls the most

Supremacy
-There are no American Capital ships on the board
(FOW) *Japan

Economy
-All 3 Axis powers have a combined total of 142 IPCs on the income tracker (NOs not included)
(FOW) *The nation that is earning the most
Allied Powers

Berlin
-The Allies control Berlin
(FOW) *The nation that takes control
Tokyo
-The Allies control Tokyo
(FOW) *The nation that takes control
Rome
-The Allies control Rome
(FOW) *The nation that takes control

Asia
-The Allies control the Burma road as well as Hong Kong and Shanghai
(FOW) *The United Kingdom

Africa -The Allied powers control all non-neutral territories on the continent of Africa
(FOW) *The nation that controls the most
Paris
-The Allies have liberated Paris
(FOW) *The nation that liberates it
Philippines
-The Allies have liberated the Philippines, or have controlled it for the entire game
(FOW) *The United States

Supremacy
-There are no Japanese Capital ships on the board
(FOW) *The United States

Russia
-The Soviet Union controls 6 original Axis territories
(FOW) *The Soviet Union

Bonus Income: New & Modified National Objectives

Axis National Objectives

Germany (in addition to all original NOs)
-5 IPCs if an Axis power controls London

Japan (in addition to all original NOs)
-5 IPCs if Japan controls all original Chinese territories

Allied National Objectives

Soviet Union (2 NOs which will replace the original National Prestige NO)
-5 IPCs if there are no Axis warships in sea zone #125, and the Allies control Archangel as well as London
-5 IPCs if there are no Allied units on any original Russian territories

United States (in addition to all original NOs)
-5 IPCs if the United States are at war with the Axis powers

UK Europe (in addition to all original NOs)

• 5 IPC’s if there are no enemy submarines in the Atlantic, excluding szs 112 and 125-127.

ANZAC (in addition to all original NOs)
-5 IPCs if the Allies control Cairo (when at war with Germany and Italy)

What about this one?
Supremacy
-There are no Japanese Capital ships on the board
(FOW) *The United States

And this one?
Economy
-All 3 Axis powers have a combined total of 142 IPCs on the income tracker (NOs not included)
(FOW) *The nation that is earning the most

Yes the axis one would work. Need something for allies with a combined all allies also one too._

[baron Münchhausen]

What if you combine both Naval dominance of Allies?:

There are no Japanese Capital ships on the board
There are no enemy submarines in the Atlantic, excluding Baltic szs.