i think trust is the big issue. i don’t realy trust McCain on any thing but to be a man to push on the war.
on a sad note, Mitt it seams is dropping out. report just came up a few min ago.
meaning McCain is now in effect the R nomination unless Huck can pull a lot of votes. not a Huck fan ether.
@Cmdr:
If you want another George W. Bush, then feel free to vote for McCain. I fought for your right to do so. I lost three vertebra and walk with a permanent limp to allow you to vote for John McCain if that is who you REALLY want.
LMAO… I love statements like this. Let me chime in with my opinion. I’m in the military because I believe everyone should do what they can for their community and I’m damn good at what I do. I have a set of gold spurs and a chest full of medals that say I am. But I’m not about to parade my sacrifice’s and claim I did it for anyone but me and the guys that were with me.
Don’t get me wrong I appreciate what other soldiers do, but I think it’s wrong to make it seem like you made a decision to “give up three vertebra” so I could vote. I’m a veteran and will fight again, but if you think I would be wiling to give up anything so some knuckle head can vote your out of your mind.
i think trust is the big issue. i don’t realy trust McCain on any thing but to be a man to push on the war.
on a sad note, Mitt it seams is dropping out. report just came up a few min ago.
meaning McCain is now in effect the R nomination unless Huck can pull a lot of votes. not a Huck fan ether.
From what I recall for Super Tuesday results, I think McCain is a surefire nominee. Even Romney had a considerable lead over Huckabee, but both couldn’t touch McCain.
@Cmdr:
If you want another George W. Bush, then feel free to vote for McCain. I fought for your right to do so. I lost three vertebra and walk with a permanent limp to allow you to vote for John McCain if that is who you REALLY want.
LMAO… I love statements like this. Let me chime in with my opinion. I’m in the military because I believe everyone should do what they can for their community and I’m damn good at what I do. I have a set of gold spurs and a chest full of medals that say I am. But I’m not about to parade my sacrifice’s and claim I did it for anyone but me and the guys that were with me.
Don’t get me wrong I appreciate what other soldiers do, but I think it’s wrong to make it seem like you made a decision to “give up three vertebra” so I could vote. I’m a veteran and will fight again, but if you think I would be wiling to give up anything so some knuckle head can vote your out of your mind.
Thank you.
And next we’ll have M36 talk about how he doesn’t care about anyone else, he just likes guns and fighting.
there is still enough out there that McCain can still be upset. i would think of all the Romney voters left, a bulk of them will go Huck over McCain. that is my estimation atleast.
Huckleberry is not Romney’s surrogate presidential candidate. Romney was the only conservatives choice left and now the bottom dropped out. To balance the ticket i suspect McCain will get a real conservative, who will win a state that counts like New York or California
that was not what i ment, what i was meaning is that Huck is as i understand it closer to conservative then McCain. i haven’t looked at Huck in some time realy so i can’t say how he stands on all issues.
I guess Jenn will be voting Democratic – Romney announced he is quitting. :lol: :lol: :lol:
@Imperious:
Huckleberry is not Romney’s surrogate presidential candidate. Romney was the only conservatives choice left and now the bottom dropped out. To balance the ticket i suspect McCain will get a real conservative, who will win a state that counts like New York or California
Ummm, IL, news flash – California and New York are BLUE STATES that will not go Republican this cycle – or are very unlikely to do so. Certainly, adding a conservative will NOT help in those states. Exhibit A – The “Governator’s” about-face on all issues on which he was still a conservative.
Adding Huckabee, on the other hand, WILL help McCain in the South, where McCain is more likely to win IF he can carry enough of the evangelical vote, which happens to be Huckabee’s strength.
SO NCSCSWITCH LISTEN UP!!! THIS IS ME EATING CROW! I THINK YOU ARE CORRECT THAT HUCKABEE IS THE LIKELY RUNNING MATE FOR MCCAIN. I just wanted to get that out there before the bandwagon left the station. :wink: :-D
And now it looks like the Bush Administration has picked out their new successor:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080207/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/mukasey_torture
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Ummm, IL, news flash – California and New York are BLUE STATES that will not go Republican this cycle – or are very unlikely to do so. Certainly, adding a conservative will NOT help in those states. Exhibit A – The “Governator’s” about-face on all issues on which he was still a conservative.
Arnold is very popular in California and most likely the most popular leader we have. Arnold would bring Calif to GOP w/o any trouble, and Latins ( mostly male Latins) love this guy. They would dump Celery in a second if Arnold was in play.
Women usually vote by appearances anyway ( Billy, Kerry, Gorey, MLEXBW, etc) and Arnold’s macho ‘thing’ will draw further women away from Celery. However, Obama has a striking appearance to them, so if he gets the nod that may change.
The fact is he is very conservative in a sea of state communists and socialists and hes a realistic person about the progress of his reforms which has endeared him to the liberals sake the far left.
And he brings youth to the ticket, because that will be brought up in the general campaign and was also a reason why Reagan tapped Bush #1 for VP, because the yea hoos are going to stick McCain in the mold of Goldwater…just like they did with Reagan and failed.
I think Huckabee will drop out before the end of the month, he may wait until Texas, but I think he has shown his worth as a VP. The Republicans will want to get together and start campaining aganst the Dems asap.
Huckabee will remain in it so as to increase in delegate count a bit (mostly in the South) and to surpass Romney’s total delegates to make a McCain Huckabee ticket look like the wisdom that it is.
Huckabee is strong in the South (lost of electoral votes). McCain is strong in New England, the Rust Belt and the West Coast.
THe northern Great Plains and Rocky Mountain States (minimal delegates) can either line up behind a Centrist and a Conservative, or they can surrender the election to Hillary.
We tried it once with the Conservative’s choice… and I think the last 8 years have proven how badly the Right wing of the Republican party did on THAT choice. So let’s try the Centrist Republicans this time and see if they can do a bit better (would be nearly impossible to do worse…)
I guess Jenn will be voting Democratic – Romney announced he is quitting. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Actually, he “suspended his campaign.”
I think it’s a dirty trick actually, but I understand why he suspended instead of quit. The difference, for those who do not know, is a suspension retains his delegates, if he quits, the delegates would be free to leave.
Since a majority of his delegates would have changed to Huckabee and given Huckabee the majority OVER McCain, and since Huckabee was the one who undermined Romney, I fully understand why Romney chose to suspend his campaign. One of those “if I can’t have it, neither can you.”
I just wish he was more of a man then that.
And, for the record, I WILL vote democrat if it is Obama vs McCain. Obama is VERY conservative if you look at what he is saying. Oh sure, he gives lip service to national health care, but look at his plan…he wants the first people to start getting coverage in 2012. In four years we’ll forget he even said he wanted to do it. He’s also pro-tax cuts. He does, unfortunately, want to pull us out of Iraq, but I’ll take that one minor issue and swallow my pride on it if it means McCain isn’t President.
If it’s McCain vs Hillary, I’ll campaign for Hillary, but vote independent or not at all. (Illinois has a history of “accidentally” misprinting ballots so that neutral parties don’t appear.)
Obama is not conservative. :roll:
Rabbits are actualy Kangaroos if you look at it. They hop on their back legs and eat grass. They don’t have pouches for their babies, and their realy small, but if you over look that their pretty much Kangaroos.
Really?
Have you SEEN how he has voted and SEEN what his stance is?
He’s for government living within its own means
He’s for no gay marriage (though he does not mind civil unions)
He’s for minimal government health care for the indigent, not for everyone
He’s for the eventual withdrawal from Iraq, but not over night
He’s for increasing Veteran’s Affairs funding and programs
Add to that his statements that all the ideas of the past 30 years has come from the Republican party and that Reagan was the greatest politician in OUR time. Not verbatim quotes mind you, but he’s made those statements.
That sounds pretty gosh darn conservative to me. Especially when it’s reflected against Hillary Clinton and John McCain. (Of course, it is ACTUALLY moderate, but since McCain and Clinton are so blessed liberal it makes Barry look down right conservative!)
McCain’s only chance is if Hillary wins and people vote against Hillary. McCain’s done if Obama gets the nomination because we are not afraid of Barry and Barry’s speeches and vote history are more in line with classic Republicanism then McCains.
yes indeed. a brilliant move by republicans.
to get more voters for McCain. let huckabee go around still creating momentum behind him. that way when people in the south and other religious conservatives learn more about him and like him, then he can go with McCain. its great, we win with moderates and conservatives. perfect.
obama gets a conservative ranking of about 8 to McCains 82. :roll:
jen, you would take a loss of iraq, and give victory to al-qaeda. those murderers of ALL people, young old, black white, doesnt matter they will kill you people.
and you will give up on putting conservative justices on the bench so liberals stop legislating from the bench.
i’m just ashamed you even call yourself conservative. we always make fun of liberals for being whiners, but how can we anymore, with the biggest one being “conservative”.
have you been implanted with a “hate McCain furiously for little reason” chip?
I would rather screw the Iraqi people over then screw the American people over. You all know this about me. My clan is more important then everyone else. My family is more important then my neighbors, my neighbors are more important then my countrymen, my countrymen are more important then human kind, human kind is more important then animals, animals are more important then plants, plants are more important then other planets, etc, etc, etc.
Obama is getting a low rating from a biased source. Look how they rate ALL democrats. Not all democrats are single digit conservatives. Obama’s stance on the issues is MORE conservative then McCain’s stance. Likewise, Obama’s never stabbed Republicans in the back like McCain has done routinely and repeatedly since 2000.
I already listed out Obama’s platform. It’s right out of the Republican hand book. Smaller government, smaller taxes, more domestic defense spending, what I failed to mention is that he is ALSO against amnesty programs, he wants illegals to go through the immigration process legally to be here. But he also realizes that a fantasy wall is not going to keep them out. And why should it? We have people fighting to get into a nation that is so affluent and so wealthy that our poor people have an obesity problem! The poor in Mexico have a starving to death problem. You are not going to keep people out with a chain link fence. The better way, the Obama way, is to allow unlimited legal immigration to this nation from Mexico and Latin America provided you pass the immigration standards.
Honestly, he’s not as conservative as Reagan or Bush 41. He’s not as liberal as Clinton, Bush 43 or McCain. If anything, I’d say he’s kind of a cross between JFK and Nixon.
Jen’s personal “pet program” is becoming pretty obvious…
For Jen, it is Veterans Benefits that are a key voting issue for her (can;t blame her under the circumstances, but it is an obvious “personal benefit” prejudice when she goes to vote.)
And that is how ALMOST EVERYONE votes… What is in it for me?
And that is why Medicare and Social Security are such popular election issues (among Dems)… there are a LOT of people who get something out of it for their own personal economic benefit. Or why “strong defense” is such a good issue fro Republicans… all those folks at Boeing and Lockheed who keep their jobs…
We are all Egoists when it comes to voting, I agree. (Egoist is someone who does what is in their own best interest and feels others should do the same.) As much as I try to be a Utilitarianism follower (someone who does what is for the greatest good for the greatest number, even if it is to your own personal detriment.)
And yes, I have to admit, candidates that want to fill the coffers of the VA have a benefit to me. I need those services to care for the injuries I took in the service. I think it’s fair…though, I don’t think we need the housing benefits, etc. Just the medical and schooling benefits, but that’s just me.
Anyway, I don’t think Obama or McCain will surrender in Iraq. Hillary is anyone’s guess, she’s said it both ways from Sunday lately. So national security isn’t really going to be an issue on the table if it’s Obama and McCain.
So what WILL be on the table?
Immigration (Obama’s stronger, McCain’s weaker since he proposed Amnesty twice since 08.)
Fiscal Conservativism (Obama’s stronger having voted for tax cuts AND worked for a balanced budget, McCain voted against tax cuts and has worked to make government bigger)
Gay Marriage (McCain from what I am told is neither pro or con; Obama has steadfastly been anti-Gay Marriage but willing to offer a compromise with civil unions)
Health Care (McCain’s offered universal health care in his speeches. Obama has said that the government should provide healthcare for the financially impoverished only.)
In the most recent vote, the stimulus package McCain voted for everyone to get it (which would have included Illegals, though he probably didn’t know that at the time of his vote.) Obama has voted to only allow Veterans and Senior Citizens get stimulus checks, Obama’s vote was on the winning side, btw.
In just about every comparison, Obama is the more conservative of the two. I’ve yet to hear of a stance or vote that McCain has offered that was more conservative then the Democrat Obama. In fact, I wonder if Obama is elected if the Democrats may once again become the home of conservatism while Republicans continue their march to the left becoming liberals? It’s how it was before, it could be again.
The only immutable fact of politics in the United States is that we will always have conservatives and liberals. Their party names may change back and forth or they may come up with new party names. But we always have those two bodies of people.
