Presidential Election (as a current event- watch the tone or it's gone)

@dezrtfish:

@JWW:

He states in one interview that he’d never want to bring back the Reagan era! Kind of funny after listening to him last night. I’d really like to support this guy but I just don’t know what to believe anymore.

Nice…

Well you need to realize that he was in the midst of a battle against Teddy K but this seems to be Mitt’s theme, tell the people what they want to hear and hope for the best. Didn’t he tell auto workers in Detriot that he would bring their auto making jobs back?!

The guy will say anything.

thats polatics, it’s not what they say, it’s what they do.
he turned the economy around in MASS, he has the best chance to do the same for the US of the top 3.

@Pervavita:

he turned the economy around in MASS

He did? And our current deficit and job losses are due to the man who just took over? It was the fastest economic recovery and immediate downturn in US history. The economy turned around on Monday and lapsed into recession on Thursday.  :lol:

And sitting here in my office in Massachusetts I missed Mitt’s transformation of my states economy?!?

I wonder why all the MA papers, conservative and liberal are endorsing another candidate? You would think that A paper in my state would have endorse the ex-gov after he performed so well.  :lol:

then tell me why this isn’t main stream. if he did so bad, why are the other canadents letting him run on the stance that he is so good for the economy?

Exactly, Gamer.  The man being thrust down the Republican throat is a guy who cannot get anything done in Congress without working only with the Democrats.

McCain - Lieberman
McCain - Feingold
McCain - Kennedy

That’s a TRUE Conservative - NOT.

If real republicans get out to vote, not just independents and retired has beens from bygone eras who like to vote for Country-Club, Blue-Blood “social” or “compassionate” conservatives, we’ll get Romney in a landslide.

In fact, if Huckabee would just give up and get out of the way, McCain would be run not only out of the Presidential Race, but out of Washington DC.

@Pervavita:

then tell me why this isn’t main stream. if he did so bad, why are the other canadents letting him run on the stance that he is so good for the economy?

It’s not that he did so bad. He was only gov for 2 1/2 years of a four year term when he began forming committees to see if he was going to run for the presidency. His Pro economics are based more on how much money he made in the private sector and turning around the olympics which are all fine and good and REAL accomplishments.

He did do some good things while gov of the peoples republic of tax-achussetts. He fought corruption, and graft, fought with the D controlled House and senate but he was only here for his political aspirations.

I voted for the man THREE times. But most Massachusetts republicans such as myself understand that he will say ANYTHING to get elected. And I’d rather stick by a person like Bush who is willing to stand his ground and fights for what he believes in the face of adversary (like McCain) rather than a carpet bagger that has done NOTHING politically and seems willing to say anything to get elected.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c3xJdFbJGw
Mitt is apparently more liberal than Ted Kennedy and Thinks Reagan was apparently bad for the economy.  I don’t think that’s what he said wednesday night at the debate… Things that make you go Hmmm…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaUvmWHzqJ0&feature=related
I wonder who he’s lying to?

No matter how you voted today, do you usually think of yourself as a: (n=1,457) (Dem, Rep, Ind in that order)
Hunter    –%    00%    --%
Paul    --%    02%    09%
Romney    –%    33%    23%
Huckabee    –%    15%    11%
McCain    –%    33%    44%
Giuliani    –%    16%    13%
Thompson    --%    02%    --%

Note, I reformatted that poll from the source in an attempt to make it easier to read on this forum because the table does not transcribe nicely.

One should notice that McCain is really drawing in the independent voters.  Romney’s getting his fair share of them too, but it’s pretty clear that the majority of McCain’s support are from independents, not Republicans.  (These are the exit polls from Florida, so yes, Independents DID get to vote in the Republican Primary, contrary to the opinions stated further up in this thread.  And not only did they get to vote, but they were the deciding factor.)

44% of McCain’s votes were from admitted independents.  That’s nearly HALF of all the votes he received.  This is a pretty good indicator that McCain is at the least a moderate at worst a liberal in the eyes of the independents.  This is not surprising, the media is unabashedly liberal and generally only supports liberals, and since just about every media publication out there has endorsed McCain for the Republican nomination (they’ll pull that endorsement when they can chose Hillary or Obama mind you) this supports my claim that McCain is NOT the conservative we need to run the country.

Furthermore, there is another more telling question:

On most political matters, do you consider yourself:(n=1,452)
(Liberal, Moderate, Conservative in that order)
Hunter    –%    --%    00%
Paul    03%    06%    02%
Romney    24%    21%    37%
Huckabee    11%    08%    17%
McCain    49%    43%    29%
Giuliani    13%    21%    13%
Thompson    –%    01%    02%

50% liberal, 45% moderate supported McCain!  Only 30%, a very small number in comparison, were people who considered themselves conservative and supported McCain!!!

Anyway, the reason I like this poll is because, unlike the ones we usually see on this site, this one gives us the question and the sample size!

Here’s the link.

http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/01/30/florida-republican-exit-poll/

The two polls I referenced above are the last two on the list.

Mitt is a slick dick like santorum.

and he changes positions more than a slut. :mrgreen:

@balungaloaf:

Mitt is a slick dick like santorum.

and he changes positions more than a slut. :mrgreen:

That’s pretty slanderous.  You have any facts to back that up?

Because the only one I see changing positions is McCain.  He’s signed amnesty bills (and thus supports the legalization of people who commit felonies entering this nation).  He’s signed laws gagging campaigners from defending themselves from malicious attacks within 30 days of an election. (He called it Campaign Finance Reform.)  He’s sided more times against the Republicans then with them.  He gathered together a group of radicals to stop Republicans from appointing conservative justices to the bench, this was dubbed the Gang of 14.

The ONLY thing I know of that McCain has done conservative was to support the military.  Considering it was his war service that got him elected to the senate, I can see why he’s swallow his pride on that one aspect of conservatism and freely admit that.

However, he’s campaigning like the second coming of Reagan and he just is not.  Romney is not either.  But at least Romney’s got executive experience and he raises a very valid point:  How can we change Washington DC and the corruption there by sending the same corrupt politicians back but in different chairs?

I’m not saying Romney is the best choice in the world.  I am the best choice for president in the world.  But of the choices available to me, Romney is the best realistic choice. (Newt would be better, but he’s not running.  Thompson would be better, but he’s not running.  Hastert would be better, but he’s not running.  Paul might even be better, but he’s going to be Libertarian and thus has no chance to beat Hillary or Obama.)

oh c’mon.  you gotta know that romney changed his positions on his social stances.  b/c it was politically expedient.

and i would never slander a promiscuous women again.  i saw it on a political board for sherdog.com(MMA board) and laughed real hard.

the gang of fourteen was a group of people who saw how bad it would be for republicans if they used the “nuclear option” and passed their judges, but then lost control of congress, so then the democrats can do that all they want and republicans cant stop it.  it would be disastrous.

and Newt would be great, but he cheated on his wife, so it just wont work.  rats.

romney stuff.  its not good, but i will add that the moderators were way pro kennedy and trying to beat romney around.  thats what you get with an unchallenged “fair” liberal media.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9IJUkYUbvI

this ones pretty funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Elx3UWmyAY4&feature=related

there’s more but they are pretty rediculous

So?  Bill Clinton made Hillary the most cheated on woman in public life.  I fail to see how a promiscuous Newt could be worse then anyone else.

As for changing his positions on social issues, you are just giving me a declarative statement, not facts or links.  I need votes.  Real, hard, logged in the record votes.  And then I need to hear Romney’s explanations on why he changed his stance. (I’ve heard some, and they’re good explanations for the ones I know of.)

And the Gang of 14 did irreparable harm to the Republicans, IMHO.  It showed the Democrats they could lie cheat and steal their way into anything they wanted because Republicans didn’t have the testicular fortitude to stand up and demand that the majority in this nation be heard.

Uch, don’t justify cheating for any one by using Bill as an example.

i heard some of his changes as well, and his explanation was good.
McCain has had bad calls and stood by them or fliped on what he has said. for example the calling Mitt like Mrs B on the time table issue. it wasn’t the same kind of time table as the D’s want by a long shot and yet McCain says it is… ironicly he is taring into the guy for “siding with the Dems” when his record is full of it.
his flip is on the tax cuts. i stand by that untell i can be shown other wise.
the big flip i saw from Mitt was his stance on Abortion. he never sighned any Abortion laws because he said something along the lines of I had it come to my desk and it felt wrong, i prayed on it and then i knew it was wrong.
he had others that i saw, but that was the big one i remember and felt good about.

@Cmdr:

I am the best choice for president in the world.

Now you’re talking sister! Jenn for pres 2012! Can I be the ambassador to Switzerland? I think they play AAR there?

I’m not justifying cheating, I am saying it is a non-issue with the body republic.

And yea, Romney’s call for a time table was more along the lines of the generals should sit down, sketch out some potential exit dates, determine when the situation is right to make pull out advisable and then keep that information under very tight security so that the enemy would never know when it was.

In other words, he wanted plans in place for what to do when we had won absolutely and what winning absolutely would be.

The dems (not including Hillary who was smart enough never to get on THAT band wagon) have called for exit dates with publicized days and times and in the immediate future.

Romney’s could have been in the year 3010.  He just said the military should make plans to leave, EVENTUALLY.  The Dems said IMMEDIATELY.  Big difference.  One is calling for our defeat, the other is calling for us to win and then leave instead of becoming permanent like we are in Germany.

@JWW:

@Cmdr:

I am the best choice for president in the world.

Now you’re talking sister! Jenn for pres 2012! Can I be the ambassador to Switzerland? I think they play AAR there?

You wouldn’t prefer Sweden?  I thought all men wanted to go to Sweden, meet the bikini-volleyball team, etc….

@Cmdr:

You wouldn’t prefer Sweden?  I thought all men wanted to go to Sweden, meet the bikini-volleyball team, etc….

I actually thought about sweden but thought that nothing (bad) ever happens in switz. I could vacation in sweden!

Jen can’t run in 2012. they have an age limit you know  :wink:
2016 maybe.

@Pervavita:

Jen can’t run in 2012. they have an age limit you know  :wink:
2016 maybe.

Actually…

The process of electing a President was set up in the United States Constitution. The Constitution requires a candidate for the presidency to be:

* At least 35 years old
    * A natural born citizen of the United States
    * A resident of the United States for 14 years

In the primary for 2012 I’ll only be 34, but by the time November runs around I’ll have been 35 for over half a year.  (April 2012 would be my 35th birthday.)

So I could run. WEG

Stand aside, Mr. Newt.  Stand aside Reagan legacy!  Let the girl through!

dat be close. i can see the argument against you now. “she is to youngh to run.”

Jen for president! :-D

Anyways Jen, Balung is right on this, Romney changes positions more often than my ex girlfriend even. I used to live in the northwest corner of CT, pretty damn close to Massachusetts, and no true conservative from MASS had anything good to say about Romney while he was Governor. He is a Republican version of John Kerry.

That being said, McCain is a closet liberal, and Huckabee is just a buffoon. We have to figure out who is not as bad as the others.