L22 OOB FINAL LL Myygames (X) VS ABH (L+50)


  • Good idea to get clarification from a mod.

    I also would like a neutral recommendation of a “fair” way to proceed if this was indeed a rule misunderstanding: call it a match, redo non-combat, redo the whole Japanese turn, etc?

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    ABH is correct. The US sub is able to ignore all the Jap subs allowing the transport to proceed unobstructed.


  • @Arthur-Bomber-Harris A sub is a warship (though not a surface warship), so the presence of a sub allows enemy subs to be ignored for an amphibious assault.


  • @Krieghund so what is your recommendation of a fair way to proceed in this match?

  • '23

    @Krieghund @AndrewAAGamer Thank you for clarification.

    @Arthur-Bomber-Harris This is obviously a major miskate of mine. I am fully OK if you decide to not change anything, and will of course surrender after the loss of Tokyo. I think I am anyways far from where the axis would need to be to have a chance to win this game.

    Should you decide to continue with modifications I am of course willing to fight on. Nevertheless it would need to be thought on how to do that…


  • @Myygames , how would you propose to address the issue? Go back to non-combat moves and adjust?


  • @Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in L22 OOB FINAL LL Myygames (X) VS ABH (L+50):

    @Myygames , how would you propose to address the issue? Go back to non-combat moves and adjust?

    I don’t think it can be done with the NCM alone. I would need to revise the build I guess.


  • @Arthur-Bomber-Harris

    uh; none I am aware of.

    fierce! You might be to be congratulated?


  • @pacifiersboard said in L22 OOB FINAL LL Myygames (X) VS ABH (L+50):

    @Arthur-Bomber-Harris

    uh; none I am aware of.

    fierce! You might be to be congratulated?

    for sportsmanship at least!!


  • @Myygames redo the whole Japan turn then including builds and combat. I don’t think it is appropriate to win because of a rule misunderstanding.

    Normally I get victory via superior luck.


  • sorry, I had loaded the page earlier and not seen all the responses that had be gone already


  • @Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in L22 OOB FINAL LL Myygames (X) VS ABH (L+50):

    @Myygames
    Normally I get victory via superior luck.

    Loool!

    This is a lot sportsmanship of yourself! You are Champion allready!

    I will rethink and try to give you a revised turn in die time. I am not sure it will take place today though.


  • No problem. Take your time. It is such an important turn with so many calculations.


  • @Arthur-Bomber-Harris l22-oob-final-ll-myygames-x-vs-abh-JAP7_edited.tsvg

    I have edited the build and NCM as follows: removed 4 subs from SZ6 (+24), build 2 fighters and a INF in Japan (-23), added 1 IPC to Japan. Also, I moved a fighter from FIC to Japan. I still think my other positioning is fine, and hope I have not make other mistakes as well.

    This should still give you 20% of winning the battle in Japan, but I will leave it with this. I could have aso deleted the last sub and build a fourth fighter instead of the INF (lowering the japan odds to 10%), but I am not willing to let russia take korea without convoi damage. Lots of odds here, but hey, I could have lost this game allready ;-)


  • @Myygames it will take me a while to do my turn


  • @Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in L22 OOB FINAL LL Myygames (X) VS ABH (L+50):

    @Krieghund so what is your recommendation of a fair way to proceed in this match?

    Looks like you guys have sorted it out.


  • @Arthur-Bomber-Harris said in L22 OOB FINAL LL Myygames (X) VS ABH (L+50):

    @Myygames it will take me a while to do my turn

    Sure! Happy holidays to you!


  • I’m just now here -
    Thanksgiving yesterday -
    Looks like you don’t need me at all - terrific job!


  • l22-oob-final-ll-myygames-x-vs-abhUK7.tsvg
    Game History

    Round: 7
    
        Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 5 bombers, 2 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Americans
            1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
            1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
            1 mech_infantry moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
            1 battleship, 4 carriers, 2 cruisers, 4 destroyers, 4 fighters, 4 submarines and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            4 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
            3 fighters moved from Queensland to Caroline Islands
    
        Combat - Americans
            Battle in Caroline Islands
                Americans attack with 7 fighters, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Japanese defend with 2 aaGuns, 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 3 infantry
                    Japanese roll AA dice in Caroline Islands : 1/0 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                    1 fighter owned by the Americans lost in Caroline Islands
                    Americans roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 cruiser in Caroline Islands, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                    Americans roll dice for 6 fighters, 1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber in Caroline Islands, round 2 : 4/0 hits, 4.00 expected hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 2 aaGuns and 3 infantry in Caroline Islands, round 2 : 1/0 hits, 1.00 expected hits
                    3 infantry owned by the Japanese, 2 aaGuns owned by the Japanese and 1 mech_infantry owned by the Americans lost in Caroline Islands
                Americans win, taking Caroline Islands from Japanese with 6 fighters, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
                Casualties for Americans: 1 fighter and 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for Japanese: 2 aaGuns and 3 infantry
    
        Non Combat Move - Americans
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            2 submarines moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            3 bombers moved from Western United States to Korea
            3 bombers moved from Wake Island to Korea
            1 bomber moved from Queensland to Korea
            1 armour moved from Tobruk to Egypt
            1 infantry, 1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 108 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 92 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 109 Sea Zone
            3 aaGuns, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser, 1 fighter, 3 infantry, 2 submarines, 1 tactical_bomber and 4 transports moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            3 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Gibraltar
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Eastern United States to Gibraltar
            1 mech_infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
            1 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Morocco
            1 artillery moved from Queensland to New South Wales
            1 aaGun moved from Queensland to New South Wales
            6 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Caroline Islands to 33 Sea Zone
    
        Place Units - Americans
            2 submarines placed in 10 Sea Zone
            5 bombers and 1 tactical_bomber placed in Western United States
    
        Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 52 PUs; end with 52 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 62 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 67 PUs
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 72 PUs
            Objective Americans 4 Philippines: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 77 PUs
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 110 Sea Zone: 1 infantry and 1 transport
            EDIT: Removing units owned by French from 110 Sea Zone: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 110 Sea Zone: 1 infantry and 1 transport
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by British from 110 Sea Zone: 1 infantry and 1 transport
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 110 Sea Zone: 1 transport
            EDIT: Adding units owned by British to 92 Sea Zone: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by French to 92 Sea Zone: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
    
        Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed
            Chinese buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Chinese
            1 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Shensi
                  Chinese take Shensi from Japanese
            9 infantry moved from Suiyuyan to Chahar
            1 fighter moved from Suiyuyan to Tsinghai
    
        Combat - Chinese
            Battle in Chahar
                Chinese attack with 9 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                    Chinese roll dice for 9 infantry in Chahar, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 1.50 expected hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Chahar, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Chahar
                Chinese win, taking Chahar from Japanese with 9 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Battle in Tsinghai
                Chinese attack with 1 fighter
                Japanese defend with 1 armour
                    Chinese roll dice for 1 fighter in Tsinghai, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 armour in Tsinghai, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits
                    1 armour owned by the Japanese and 1 fighter owned by the Chinese lost in Tsinghai
                Japanese win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4
                Casualties for Chinese: 1 fighter
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 armour
    
        Non Combat Move - Chinese
    
        Place Units - Chinese
            3 infantry placed in Chahar
    
        Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 5 PUs; end with 6 PUs
    
        Purchase Units - British
            British buy 1 armour, 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific buy 1 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - British
            1 tactical_bomber moved from India to 41 Sea Zone
    
        Combat - British
            Battle in 41 Sea Zone
                British attack with 1 tactical_bomber
                Japanese defend with 1 transport
                    1 transport owned by the Japanese lost in 41 Sea Zone
                British win with 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 transport
    
        Non Combat Move - British
            1 battleship moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 41 Sea Zone to West India
            1 fighter moved from India to Northwest Persia
            3 artilleries moved from Persia to Northwest Persia
            2 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia
            1 armour moved from India to Eastern Persia
            1 mech_infantry moved from India to Eastern Persia
            1 mech_infantry moved from India to Eastern Persia
            3 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 21 infantry moved from India to West India
            1 fighter moved from Trans-Jordan to Northwest Persia
            1 fighter moved from Trans-Jordan to Northwest Persia
            2 infantry moved from Trans-Jordan to Iraq
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Trans-Jordan
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Trans-Jordan
            1 fighter moved from Gibraltar to Trans-Jordan
            1 aaGun moved from 92 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 aaGun moved from 92 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 fighter moved from 110 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            1 carrier, 2 cruisers and 1 transport moved from 110 Sea Zone to 92 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
            1 mech_infantry moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
    
        Place Units - British
            2 fighters placed in United Kingdom
            1 armour and 1 infantry placed in Egypt
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Persia
            1 infantry placed in United Kingdom
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
    
        Turn Complete - British
            British collect 34 PUs; end with 34 PUs
            Objective British 1 Original: British met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 39 PUs
    
        Place Units - UK_Pacific
            1 submarine placed in 39 Sea Zone
            1 infantry placed in India
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
    
        Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific collect 9 PUs; end with 9 PUs
            Units Change Ownership
                Some Units in India change ownership: 1 infantry
                Some Units in 39 Sea Zone change ownership: 1 submarine
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

    Chinese regular : 0.00
    Americans regular : -0.17
    Japanese regular : 0.17
    Japanese AA : 0.00
    

  • @Arthur-Bomber-Harris l22-oob-final-ll-myygames-x-vs-abh_ITA7.tsvg

    Game History

    Round: 7
    
        Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; 
    
        Combat Move - Italians
            1 armour moved from Rostov to Bryansk
                  Italians take Bryansk from Russians
    
        Combat - Italians
    
        Non Combat Move - Italians
            2 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Rostov to Volgograd
            2 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Yugoslavia
            2 aaGuns and 1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
            1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia
            1 fighter, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Western Germany to Yugoslavia
            2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy
            1 infantry moved from Normandy Bordeaux to France
    
        Place Units - Italians
            2 infantry placed in Southern Italy
    
        Turn Complete - Italians
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 12
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 93 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,3
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 97 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,4,2,3,2,4,4,6
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 105 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,3
            Italians collect 10 PUs (12 lost to blockades); end with 12 PUs
    

    Combat Hit Differential Summary :

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