Buying a Destroyer for the Soviet Baltic Fleet

@Moller A submarine is a sea unit with an attack value and a defense value. What makes it special are its “Special Abilities”/unit characteristics as described by the rulebook(s) and (partly) outlined by @WindowWasher above.
Those are:

An enemy destroyer cancels those unit characteristics marked with an (X).

@Moller said in Battleship/cruiser with destroyer vs submarine:

I tought without a destroyer you can’t detect a submarine so you can’t attacked the submarine.

This is not part of the rules, sorry.

Great! Can’t wait!  :-D

de Gaulle

cruisers suck.
they are too expensive. i think at 11ipc they would still be purchased infrequently. even at 10ipc they would probably be bought at a 1:1:1 ratio with destroyers and subs.

@Canuck12:

@Gargantua:

I think you basically HAVE to sink the Sz91 Cruiser.

It’s not an option,  it’s not a potential strike.  It’s a MUST.

I’m also toying with the idea of clearing the navy off of Southern France…

For the European axis to have a GOOD game (Which makes life easy)  Italy has to be a major player, and HAS to be protected by Germany, with efforts made by German units to secure Italian NO’s.

If this is the case, (and I think it may be) how would you do it? IE: Where would you reposition your ressources? It seems to me you cna only get your two subs down there. 1 sub on each 111 and 110 then?

Probably have to ignore one of the two SZ’s or risk losing aircraft in the process which is counter productive when you trade aircraft for cruisers.

I like to buy atleast one tank one artillery one plane (varies on which one) and one sub each turn as germany and the rest goes to infantry

this is just a generic buy

Sorry thinking OOB. Either way my point is still their. Either way you go, while that power is going to get beat to hell the other half of the world just grows to strong. In our games Germany gets up to 60+ ipcs by round 5 or 6, and Japan is still not knocked out but they usually do in round 7.

No you have to let the western allies handle the navy stuff (in the Atlantic). As Russia I like to buy 1 air unit at least every other round (ftr/tac). In most games Germany does a SL fake (sometimes they go though w/it), and I like to be able threaten the German navy w/air when they come through the Baltic (makes them spend $ on carrier). When they are ready to hit Leningrad, I may just back out to counter attack (kill their ground units), and use the air to end the sea threat. I may not hit the navy, but they at least have to think about it. If I go ahead and nail the German navy in the Baltic, it comes w/guarantee that because I did the dirty deed for the western allies, they will replace my air power (at some point).  R1 I normally buy 1 plane some art/inf for the front (you have to have art to push/delay the Germans, inf alone are not to scary). You also need to be aware of what they can bring at any one tt at the front (seeing many one tt massive army pushes by Germany), and what you can do in a counter attack (if anything).

You also need inf stacks at front lines (mostly south) to keep Italy from being able to can-opener easily (make sure that the deeper Italy goes that they lose units along the way so when the axis gets closer, Italy isn’t involved. I also like to get my arm up, w/few mech. A Russian mobile force is necessary, especially if you also have Jap lurking in your back field, or you need to swing from north to south (or wherever).

By all means if your in trouble (maybe to aggressive), don’t worry about that silly 5 IPC NO connected to sz 125 (that you normally don’t get to often anyway). Get the allies involved, either through direct help on red tt’s (air for def etc…) or maybe through landings in Scandinavia, or other parts of Europe. If the Germans, Italians & Japs are all pushing into Russia, then you do what you have to. I’ve seen all six major powers fighting in Russia. Its a BS move, but whatever works. The western allies can be in Russia, and still be hassling the Euro coast, Med, Chinese coast, or DEI (if Jap is pushing hard to Russia (mech/tanks), they are not investing much to rebuild there navy/air-make them pay).

It is a moot point, and I stand by it.

By your situational irony scenario’s, lets say Japan declares war on Russia the turn Germany takes Moscow.  After Germany takes Moscow lets say USA takes Germany/Berlin on the same turn!!  Uh oh!  The allies just wasted a good chance to collect the IPC’s Russia had, BUT, by YOUR method, the bonus totally goes down the crapper and is a MOOT POINT.  Because if you’re talking about taking capitals with ease to a point of if Moscow falls so easily than Berlin can just as easily get taking by USA/UK to get that bonus back.

Pelanderfunk, it doesn’t matter in your game.  It could actually work against Germany.  He see’s that 12 IPC go to you, and Germany could make a risk that he shouldn’t.  Either way there is no reason not to give the bonus right away.  Played enough games of global to forget many things, and waiting to give Russia money would be one of them for sure!