I’m playing an opponent who is preventing Vichy from occurring by having the UK attack Italy’s destroyer and transport in SZ96 from SZ98 with a destroyer, cruiser, tactical from aircraft carrier in SZ98 and a fighter from Malta. Italy’s destroyer is sunk (and transport). Then in the Non-Combat phase, UK loads the transport in SZ98 and lands UK troops in Southern France. Since France is still an ally at this point, this is legal and effectively prevents Vichy mode, since Germany will now have to take Southern France on its next turn. There isn’t any way to prevent this as far as I can tell.
G40 Balance Mod - Feedback Thread
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So here’s another proposal for a Sealion-related NO: Germany gets +5 if it has a land unit in either Egypt or the United Kingdom. This, obviously, would replace Germany’s existing Egypt NO.
What do you guys think? Axis-Domion?
I like your suggestion guys.
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another possible consideration would be to leave Egypt NO alone, but add that if the germans occupy all of the brit isles they earn the bonus. so long as they keep the allies off they earn it. i think that isn’t so overpowering but still offers a significant incentive.
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@Shin:
I’d say it’s a bit on the weak side, but I’m fine with it.
One thought that occurs to me, perhaps the Germans could get 3 IPCs for any round where the Atlantic did not have transports? Historically, U-Boats sinking commercial shipping was pretty important.
Hrm. Maybe Germans can get a bonus of 3 IPCs anytime their U-Boats are convoying in the Atlantic?
Interesting ideas, but they ain’t really Sealion specific, which is what we’re trying to address.
Axis-dominion, while your idea could certainly work, it does increase the total amount of PUs Germany can obtain from NOs by 5. Do you think this idea is more or less ‘overpowered’ than the idea of keeping the total amount of Germany’s NO Pus the same, but making the Egypt NO easier to achieve (by adding the UK route)?
Also, would your proposed NO include Ireland?
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Yea, I know my idea wasn’t Sealion-specific. But since y’all want a compromise solution, I was thinking that my idea might help to give Germany that extra oomph it needs.
3 IPCs for dominating the Atlantic (pretty tough to do in most games) seems reasonable to me. Then we can just go with the shared Egypt and London NO.
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Or you could take away one of the UK’s NOs instead of adding one to Germany. Perhaps the Med islands one.
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Oh yes. Cosign taking away the UK Med islands NO. Or at least, make them actually land on Crete to get it.
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well, regarding UK’s island NOs in the med, removing one (or even requiring allied occupation of crete, which would, in most games, delay achievement of the NO by several rounds at least) would substantially impact the balance of the game I think. Judging from the current win/loss ratio, Axis doesn’t really need all that much help.
The idea behind the proposed UK/Egypt NO for Germany is really not so much about balance as it is about gameplay. The aim is to dissuade ‘greedy’ UK1 purchases that seek to take the med out of play from the get go, by making Sealion a more viable strategy long term.
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Also, its worth noting that, if you remove the +3 med-island NO, from the start, UK europe would actually make less than in the vanilla game.
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You did a really good job with the Balance Mod. Please don’t change anything yet. Currently axis are still winning over half the BM games. History has shown over and over that with time and experience people learn to exploit the axis advantages. The axis win % will likely increase. You might even need to add more tweaks to strengthen up the allies.
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Thanks, variance. We don’t have any imminent plans for changes to the mod. Just soliciting feedback for possible tweaks down the road.
As for the current Axis/Allied win ratio, it is interesting that Axis have won more games, even though the perception seems to be that the Mod leans in Allies favor. One thing to that skews the ratio a bit is that Mod co-creator, Adam514, gets stuck playing Axis a lot in BM (since folks understandably want to try out the new Allied NOs), and he is simply a beast at the game. if you exclude those games, however, the ratio is pretty much 50/50.
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For my next game, I am proposing to my opponent that we change one infantry into one marine at the following territories:
WUS, London, Germany, South Italy, Japan, India, and NSW4 for the Allies and 3 for the Axis - 3 of the Allied powers here are not at war at the beginning of the game.
When you add a new unit, it’s cool to start the game with some, just like they did in the Iron Blitz Hasbro CD version with marines… -
So here’s another proposal for a Sealion-related NO: Germany gets +5 if it has a land unit in either Egypt or the United Kingdom. This, obviously, would replace Germany’s existing Egypt NO.
What do you guys think? Axis-Domion?
I will be forthright and admit I haven’t read much in this thread yet, but
I think this is a very good idea, to add London to the Egypt NO for Germany as an “or”
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For my next game, I am proposing to my opponent that we change one infantry into one marine at the following territories:
WUS, London, Germany, South Italy, Japan, India, and NSWif you find a taker, definitely let us know how it goes.
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Are Finland and Norway considered “mainland Europe” for the Russian NO’s??
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Yes they are.
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Thanks!
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If Vichy France is activated on France 2 or later, what about the Z93 destroyer and cruiser? Does it matter if they’ve been moved from Z93 or not? Is the Z93 rule only for a France turn 1 Vichy?
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They only turn if they stayed in SZ93.
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yup. any french ships in sz 93 turn vichy whenever the vichy event occurs. if the ships move out before that time, they stay free french.
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Oh? I wasn’t aware Vichy could be activated on round 2 or later. I thought it was round 1 or nothing.
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