G40 Balance Mod - Feedback Thread

[Witt]

Or you could take away one of the UK’s NOs instead of adding one to Germany. Perhaps the Med islands one.

[Shin-Ji]

Oh yes.  Cosign taking away the UK Med islands NO.  Or at least, make them actually land on Crete to get it.

[regularkid]

well, regarding UK’s island NOs in the med, removing one (or even requiring allied occupation of crete, which would, in most games, delay achievement of the NO by several rounds at least) would substantially impact the balance of the game I think. Judging from the current win/loss ratio, Axis doesn’t really need all that much help.

The idea behind the proposed UK/Egypt NO for Germany is really not so much about balance as it is about gameplay. The aim is to dissuade ‘greedy’ UK1 purchases that seek to take the med out of play from the get go, by making Sealion a more viable strategy long term.

[regularkid]

Also, its worth noting that, if you remove the +3 med-island NO, from the start, UK europe would actually make less than in the vanilla game.

[variance]

You did a really good job with the Balance Mod.  Please don’t change anything yet.  Currently axis are still winning over half the BM games.  History has shown over and over that with time and experience people learn to exploit the axis advantages.  The axis win % will likely increase.  You might even need to add more tweaks to strengthen up the allies.

[regularkid]

Thanks, variance. We don’t have any imminent plans for changes to the mod. Just soliciting feedback for possible tweaks down the road.

As for the current Axis/Allied win ratio, it is interesting that Axis have won more games, even though the perception seems to be that the Mod leans in Allies favor. One thing to that skews the ratio a bit is that Mod co-creator, Adam514, gets stuck playing Axis a lot in BM (since folks understandably want to try out the new Allied NOs), and he is simply a beast at the game. if you exclude those games, however, the ratio is pretty much 50/50.

[gamerman01]

For my next game, I am proposing to my opponent that we change one infantry into one marine at the following territories:
WUS, London, Germany, South Italy, Japan, India, and NSW

4 for the Allies and 3 for the Axis - 3 of the Allied powers here are not at war at the beginning of the game.
When you add a new unit, it’s cool to start the game with some, just like they did in the Iron Blitz Hasbro CD version with marines…

[gamerman01]

@regularkid:

So here’s another proposal for a Sealion-related NO: Germany gets +5 if it has a land unit in either Egypt or the United Kingdom. This, obviously, would replace Germany’s existing Egypt NO.

What do you guys think? Axis-Domion?

I will be forthright and admit I haven’t read much in this thread yet, but

I think this is a very good idea, to add London to the Egypt NO for Germany as an “or”

[regularkid]

@Gamerman01:

For my next game, I am proposing to my opponent that we change one infantry into one marine at the following territories:
WUS, London, Germany, South Italy, Japan, India, and NSW

if you find a taker, definitely let us know how it goes.

[gamerman01]

Are Finland and Norway considered “mainland Europe” for the Russian NO’s??

[Shin-Ji]

Yes they are.

[gamerman01]

Thanks!

[gamerman01]

If Vichy France is activated on France 2 or later, what about the Z93 destroyer and cruiser?  Does it matter if they’ve been moved from Z93 or not?  Is the Z93 rule only for a France turn 1 Vichy?

[MrRoboto]

They only turn if they stayed in SZ93.
I think the notes are quite clear about that.

[regularkid]

yup. any french ships in sz 93 turn vichy whenever the vichy event occurs. if the ships move out before that time, they stay free french.

[Shin-Ji]

Oh?  I wasn’t aware Vichy could be activated on round 2 or later.  I thought it was round 1 or nothing.

[Adam514]

It can be activated on any round, as long as S France is still French.

[gamerman01]

It would be simpler if it was round 1 or nothing, but it’s not I guess

[regularkid]

As a practical matter, the strategic benefits of vichy france are negligible after round 1, since France will move most of its units out of its territory, and the fleet out of sz 93 on its first turn. out of scores of BM games, I can think of only one  I’ve played where Germany opted to make vichy france happen on round 2.

[variance]

I think Vichy helps the allies at least as much as the axis.  Sure they lose a few French units but later they will get extra income from Africa.