G40 Balance Mod - Feedback Thread

@Amon-Sul said in G40 Balance Mod - Feedback Thread:

Does anybody think we should alter mech infantry to cost more (5) and maybe have some more benefits?

Why does marine cost 5?

Germany is constantly swarming mech infantry. Italy and Japan use it much too.

Who buys mechs with allies? Maybe UK a little, Russia a little.

I dont like those guys (mech infantry). They can blitz with a tank, they can move in NCM over newly captured territory without a tank present.

any comments?

people rarely buy artillery and tanks (especially with axis).

swarming mech inf and infantry.

Can mech inf cost 4 and be reduced in quality?

I’m not sure if you are interested in feedback any more but here goes:

So I’ve come to the conclusion that Vichy is a fools’ errand for the Axis. Biggest factor in this is that taking Normandy adds negative value for the Axis, except in a Sea Lion game. Axis are much smarter to just leave Normandy French. Obviously, this isn’t the only issue for the game or my record would be covered with victories.

The problem is that we have all these complicated rules for what happens when the Axis do something that they should not do. Why do we have this?

I’m not on the team, and I hear you, but I think the best reply is,

Vichy is an optional rule, not considered to be base balanced Mod, but an optional add-on, as in, if both players agree.

@gamerman01 but the problem is that it is indeed part of the standard rule set

Ah, it does say “intended for play with the G40 Balanced Mod” in Triple A notes and in the text of rules posted on the forum.

So it’s open to interpretation a little, isn’t it? My perspective is you wouldn’t say “intended for play” if it was inseparable. Sounds like it’s an optional module.

Furthermore “use Vichy rules” is a checkbox in the game setup in TripleA. They wouldn’t do that if it was part and parcel.

To be 100% sure, you need a Mod Squad team member to confirm.

@gamerman01 said in G40 Balance Mod - Feedback Thread:

Furthermore “use Vichy rules” is a checkbox in the game setup in TripleA. They wouldn’t do that if it was part and parcel.

Pretty sure I put that in.

@simon33 said in G40 Balance Mod - Feedback Thread:

I’m not sure if you are interested in feedback any more but here goes:

So I’ve come to the conclusion that Vichy is a fools’ errand for the Axis. Biggest factor in this is that taking Normandy adds negative value for the Axis, except in a Sea Lion game. Axis are much smarter to just leave Normandy French. Obviously, this isn’t the only issue for the game or my record would be covered with victories.

The problem is that we have all these complicated rules for what happens when the Axis do something that they should not do. Why do we have this?

I disagree with a lot of what you said in terms of what is better for the Axis, but if you are of the opinion that Vichy isn’t good for the Axis, what is the problem? There’s only a problem if Vichy is the obvious move, and it isn’t. So I fail to see the issue.

Thanks for your answer. I was reading something the other day that you often move a German fleet into the Med. If you wanted to do that, with the Italians opening Gibraltar, I guess Normandy is very useful for the Axis. Puts me on difficult ground if we don’t agree on what is good for the Axis, can’t argue with your record I suppose.

@Adam514 said in G40 Balance Mod - Feedback Thread:

but if you are of the opinion that Vichy isn’t good for the Axis, what is the problem? There’s only a problem if Vichy is the obvious move, and it isn’t. So I fail to see the issue.

I really hesitate to stay involved, but

I understand not wanting the Vichy rules because they are complicated and it’s not just an option for the Axis, the Allies have a lot more to think about through UK1 besides what they normally do. Since that Italian tank can possibly take Normandy, and to make sure planes aren’t on French territory. That bit me hard once.

Are the Vichy rules considered core, or an optional module, I think is the main question

@gamerman01 said in G40 Balance Mod - Feedback Thread:

Are the Vichy rules considered core, or an optional module, I think is the main question

Vichy is default.

Some further comments in reply to @Adam514, yes I guess it’s true that it isn’t really a Balanced Mod problem, it’s more of a G40 problem, if you think it’s a problem which I do. Larry’s laws never had to deal with the scenario of a probable capital falling in the first round. I don’t think it is handled very well at all. Perhaps all French territories should be capturable by the other allies like Dutch territories are by UK and Anzac. Such a rule change would give Vichy a purpose IMO. But it’s really just Normandy that annoys me. For Southern France, even in G40 it probably isn’t advised to leave that French and in BM there is an additional reason in giving up the US objective for D-Day landings.

FWIW, I’ve been playing online again and taken a bit to get back in the groove but I’ve won my last 10 games or so, some with good players. Hesitating to starting a PBF game again, not sure I can commit.

@simon33 we hope to see you back any time. You are a valuable member here!

@adam514 has previously commented that it is trivial to deal with the move of Anzac declaring war on Japan. Well sometimes it is but I now submit that it may not be so obvious.If I am planning a J2, I prepare I j1 which looks like this:

Note that the two coastal transports with one infantry each on them. These are there because of the move of moving British ships into the sea zone and anzac declaring war. This move is completely ridiculous. In fact, in 1939 when Britain declared war on Germany, the Australian Prime Minister at the time said “Great Britain is at war and as such we are also at war” or pretty close to that. Also, just the idea that Australia declaring war would put UK at war is absurd.

Perhaps it is less true with the transport in SZ35 which might attack Java although that does see reduced options because it can’t load.

While this is all well and good, it is not good if there is a reason to not proceed with the J2 DOW, perhaps Sea Lion. Results in an unnecessary loss of momentum for Japan.

Maybe you’re going to say that it’s a G40 problem, which is true but I think it is something which could be addressed in BM.

EDIT: dropped off quote from PM.

@axis-dominion said in G40 Balance Mod - Feedback Thread:

sorry if this has been proposed before, but i’d like to propose that battleships can carry up to 2 marines

This is technically difficult but also I don’t see the need for this change?

@oysteilo said in G40 Balance Mod - Feedback Thread:

After several years of playing BM (on and off) I am interested in hearing peoples view on marines. Are they useful? Do they add something to the game?

Can I suggest if Marines annoy you this much, just house rule them out. If people don’t want to play with your house rule, just don’t play with them.

Does anyone have a list of what’s new in BM4 vs. BM3? I missed that somehow.

@Argothair said in G40 Balance Mod - Feedback Thread:

Does anyone have a list of what’s new in BM4 vs. BM3? I missed that somehow.

Should be in the rules thread but it just changed that bombers now cost 14IPC.