G40 Balance Mod - Feedback Thread

With the extra money that america can get plus, if japan declares war on russia, it is quite easy to see how the allies can gain an advantage. Later on in the game usually the subs are clear from the atlantic and the US has control of the british channel and gibraltar/north africa. Playing america correctly dictates whether the allies win or not.

Russia will usually get the +3 ipc’s for not having other allied nations in their territories. Also persia is usually open so that’s another plus 2. So they get a guaranteed 5 ipc’s every turn almost. This extra money allows Russia to do the mech/tank purchases it needs to beat germany into the ground. If you couple this extra income with the extra income that the US get’s as well as well as EurUK it can be hard for germany and italy to make a great impact. There is really no reason to attack russia as the Japanese since you will be giving them so much money.

I don’t see how going from +2 to +3 in each seazone is going to shut the whole game down. Perhaps if you put in the +3 ipcs to italy it can remain at +4.

The italy change will allow them to have that extra money to rebuild it’s navy or help push into russia. I still feel that italy is too weak especially if they have some bad luck or the allies stop vichy france from occuring. Italy has to move into iraq early on. So if italy somehow has a bad start, they are just stuck in italy essentially.

The china change is awesome, definitely put that in.

From what i’ve read there are a lot of people who actually play with an axis bid and others who just don’t know how to play america/russia properly.

Don’t be so afraid to change some of the numbers on your balance mod. Or you can have two versions to see if one is better than the other.

My china change actually helps balance out china and makes them more fun to play.

The pacific is perfect. The changes for ANZAC and PacUK are perfect! Try my china mod out. Again why would japan ever declare war on Russia if they know that the +2 is going to shoot up to +4. Maybe you can change it to as soon as european axis is at war with russia the lend-lease kicks in instead of round 3.

@regularkid said in G40 Balance Mod - Feedback Thread:

@Mursilis said in G40 Balance Mod - Feedback Thread:

Russia:
If Japan declares war on Russia and they are at war with the european axis then they get +1 IPC in the supply zones(down from 2)

Then we’re back to the situation where game economics almost always favor an early JAP dow of Russia (or, at least, fail to deter it). An ahistorical outcome. The boost needs to be +2 for there to be a possible net benefit to Russia. That is, if the boost is only +1, simply blocking sz 5 with a sub, or taking Amur, completely negates Russia’s benefit, and Russia is back to facing a two-front war with no extra help…

As far as your other two changes, you seem to be operating under the assumption that Allies need to be nerfed. Game statistics don’t bear out that conclusion at all.

I just have to throw in my two cents again. BM has done 0 -zero- in order to enhance playability for Russia. yes, you trow in some ekstra money, but Russia does not have a saying in how much of this they get. In my opinion Russia is much more fun to play under the original rule set

@oysteilo I don’t completely agree. Yes, it isn’t as good as the extra fighter and tank, but the extra money makes it possible for USSR to fight when OOB they would be running or dying.

I think he’s saying that USSR can’t really open their own lend lease lanes. It’s really up to the other allies to prevent their closure.

@simon33 said in G40 Balance Mod - Feedback Thread:

I think he’s saying that USSR can’t really open their own lend lease lanes. It’s really up to the other allies to prevent their closure.

EXACTELY. This makes it less fun.

@oysteilo I personally like the lend lease rule. The russians are supposed to be hanging on for dear life until the allies arrive. There are many aspects of the mod that I feel are necessary and the extra russian money is one of them. Getting 7 extra dollars off multiple turns far out-ways getting an extra 16 from a fighter and tank right from the get-go. If you clear out sz125 and still hold archangel thats another 4(assuming that japan declared war).

Either way I’m having Barnee make up my suggestions into a series of mods.

The china change really should be examined by yourself kid and adam. It actually makes china fun to play and again it is basically +3 ipcs every turn to china.

I guess leave the lend lease lanes alone, I may have jumped the gun on that one.

The US north africa one is just too easy to get for 5 extra ipcs to be completely honest. That’s why i proposed +3 instead.

And something needs to be done with Italy and I stand by this one like I do the china one.
If not +3 for holding all original territories then +2 or +3 for holding sicily and sardinia or maybe if they own less than 6 territories. Italy can either be very powerful or so weak they can’t do anything.

@Mursilis if vichy is activated, north africa is not easy. Well, easy in a way that you will get it if you go for it. But many times you loose a lot of momentum by doing it

Russia is one of the most boring nations in vanilla… In BM you’ve got interesting choices to make depending on what the Axis do (China,Korea, Scandinavia), and there’s interdependancy with the Western Allies to push for the lend-lease territories at the same time as the Allies clear the sea zones. Russia becomes interesting to play in BM.

@Adam514 I agree. However now China is the most boring nation with zero choices. Every game you just stack up infantry in one territory and sit there since you can’t buy artillery and don’t have enough money to do anything. It is also very boring for Japan to fight in china since you just move a unit in and sit there. Then leap frog another mech in front of that.

My China suggestion will help fix this. Maybe each burma road territory needs to be +2 instead of +1. Either way my suggestion makes china a fun place to play.

@Adam514 said in G40 Balance Mod - Feedback Thread:

Russia is one of the most boring nations in vanilla… In BM you’ve got interesting choices to make depending on what the Axis do (China,Korea, Scandinavia), and there’s interdependancy with the Western Allies to push for the lend-lease territories at the same time as the Allies clear the sea zones. Russia becomes interesting to play in BM.

I think it’s still pretty boring in BM. There’s a big disincentive to do anything in Asia with the loss of the potential lend lease income. Perhaps it’s less a of a obstacle to go after Scandinavia but still there’s a big hurdle there. A few players will go hard after Japan anyway but they make a sacrifice to do so.

@regularkid
Well the idea was give china the +3 income with the theory of getting artillery for most the game and removing guerrillas till the road is closed. If you just give china artillery alone AND still have the guerrillas spawn I feel that it might be too strong.

If you give the chinese artillery AND +3 for the burma road not being closed and remove guerrillas completely then that would probably be a balanced game without the need to include an additional japanese NO. The logic being that the japanese don’t need to have a unit sit on a chinese territory for the whole game.

Perhaps giving china a +2 if the burma road is not COMPLETELY controlled by the axis and they can have artillery no matter what.

Either way my concept was to give china the extra infantry instead of having japan lose the infantry sitting on a territory.

@Mursilis i dont think works. Japan will just mop up all of china and leave them with one Burma road territory.

@oysteilo Well that’s why I want to make sure china can still have extra income if burma or yunaan is controlled. Japan starts with a lot of stuff and if china does not have that constant +3 or +2 income, even if they can build artillery, they will get crushed by japan’s air and ground.

If you keep the guerrillas and let china buy artillery they could put 1 inf and 1 artillery up in northern china, against russian territory and slowly push up defeating the japanese 1 territory at a time since they would be so stretched thin.

Whatever the solution is, letting china have artillery, allowing a few extra ipc’s for them, and removing guerrillas should make china more fun to play in since there will be a world of new options especially for china.