Offloading in sz containing an enemy sub

@Gargantua:

The submarine had to (survive) a combat before submerging.

In Classic 3rd edition (defending only, no subs can submerge in Classic 1st and 2nd editions) and Revised, yes.  In original Europe and Pacific, attacking subs can submerge immediately, while defending subs must survive attacking fire first.

@Gargantua:

Sub Stalls are more of a relic from classic than any of the other versions.

I think you mean Revised, as subs had no effect on transports’ loading in Classic.  Also, because attacking subs can submerge before any dice are rolled in original Europe and Pacific, substalling is much more effective there, especially in Pacific.

@calvinhobbesliker:

Yes

though technically I believe a submarine can only be “submerged” during the combat phase and after the combat phase ends it is no longer considered “submerged”. So during any collect income phase, submarines cannot be submerged for any reason regardless at that point in a turn.

I believe Kreig has previously expressed the problems with the rule as submarines are often “submerged” regardless and it’s a misnomer.

@Gravy:

Can I move my carriers into a sea zone that has 2 enemy subs in it in order to land my fighters on them during non-combat phase.

Also do subs get to fire at surface ships that move thru their sea zones. I know they get to fire at transports but not sure about surface ships.  Thanks

Yes, if there is no enemy surface warship present, you can always choose to ignore enemy subs (and transports) during movement in combat or noncombat.

No.

right, so he can destroy the xport, or bombard, but not both.

@elque:

Assume that your naval force includes one or more submarines and your opponent has a destroyer and engages you in battle. Can your submarines submerge (exit in mid battle) at your option once your opponent takes his destroyer as a casualty?

You would be able to submerge your submarines the following round of combat since there would no longer be any destroyers to negate the sub’s special abilities.

@Gravy:

Okay, don’t have the rules in front of me so I  have another question.  US attacks a Jap  fleet with only subs.  Since the Jap fleet has a destroyer and the US doesn’t, do the Japanese subs in her fleet get a first strike attack and at what die roll. Totally confused with this rule.

My reading of the rules is that yes, the Japanese subs get first strike as the US doesn’t not have ASW provided by a destroyer.  Subs roll at a 1 for defense.  Roll for your sub stack, US removes hits (rolls of 1) from the board immediately.  Then US can roll for his remaining subs at 2 (for attack).

@Omega:

and Anzac has some fighters right? If so, you will need fighters to defend the bomber

yah, and it would be easy enough to bring in some infantry and perhaps an AA gun as well.

That’s workable. Anything would be better then 1 DD see’s everything right out of the box. You could even house rule something like that into AA50, just make it part of the radar tech. 1 for 1 until you get advanced radar(tech) then 1 DD see’s all subs. Its even kinda how the radar tech works. You fire AA guns @ 1 until you develop radar giving your AA guns a kill @ 2. Early in the game subs could easily out number DD’s, but you would still get limited detection. I might have to try this next game.

This would also work when air units & DD attack subs. Matched up 1 for 1. Excess subs would be allowed to submerge, unless the power w/DD & air units also has radar. At that point subs could not submerge til the DD is destroyed, just how it is now

Come on give subs more bite! :evil: