Does a submerged sub disrupt a convoy?

@Gargantua:

The submarine had to (survive) a combat before submerging.

In Classic 3rd edition (defending only, no subs can submerge in Classic 1st and 2nd editions) and Revised, yes.  In original Europe and Pacific, attacking subs can submerge immediately, while defending subs must survive attacking fire first.

@Gargantua:

Sub Stalls are more of a relic from classic than any of the other versions.

I think you mean Revised, as subs had no effect on transports’ loading in Classic.  Also, because attacking subs can submerge before any dice are rolled in original Europe and Pacific, substalling is much more effective there, especially in Pacific.

@Krieghund:

There is no rolling versus defenseless transports.  By definition, transports that can retreat are not defenseless, so combat would be conducted normally.

Perfect. Thanks!

Thanks

Commando Brado, wow this was a bad predicament to be in. I’m assuming that Japan was in allied hands and this was a last ditch effort to get it back (it gets one turn to do so). Boy did you get screwed by not having any ships that could take out those US subs, or force them to submerge. I didn’t think much of the a/c not having an attack value any more til now.

Edit: The only other scenario I could see where you would want to bring Jap transports into sz 6 combat is you still have Japan, and are trying to liberate Korea.

Yes, though such a movement would generally be made during noncombat movement.

Since they happen on two different turns, they can do both.

I haven’t had a chance to play yet but I’m thinking this may elevate subs to the strategic asset they should be.  :-D

I think the best way to deal with convoys is to have a zone like in AAP and AAE. It is a convoy route for a selected country. If it becomes occupied by an enemy then that country loses income for every turn thereafter until that evemy ship leaves the zone or it is destroyed. If the enemy ship leaves then the route opens again, it should not stay closed if the enemy then leaves! You should not have to have a friendly warship there to keep it open, only to defend it. To sum up what I said: if the zone has nothing there then the convoy is open and adding to the income of the country, if it is closed by and enemy ship then it won’t add to the income of the country any more.

So from my understanding if a convoy route is captured why are we losing money already collected? How does that make sense, the ships delivering IPCs already got to us, thus the collect income phase at the end of the turn. For every turn after then the income should be docked, but why immediately?