Real value of units

@The-Captain

I would love to hear more about your Most Precious Soviet Strategies. I love talking about strategy, especially if it’s about my favorite power when it comes to tactical decision making 😀

This is a mod which changes some rules and adds many more pieces to the setup. It uses the pieces and countries of 1940. I would love for everyone to try it and give their opinion.

Rules changes:
All units are added from 1940 2nd Edition except air and naval bases. ICs printed on the map are not used; ICs from 1940 are used instead. Strategic bombing raids can be done against these. No new ICs can be built. Units such as carriers and battleships which have different rules in 1941 compared to 1940 keep the rules of 1941.

All spaces are worth double their printed value. Countries start with double IPCs as well.

Italy: Italy is its own power now. It receives control of Southern and Western(ahistorical but the best I can do) Europe. Italy’s capital is in Southern Europe.

ANZAC: ANZAC is its own power now. It receives control of Australia, East Indies(ahistorical again), New Guinea, Sllolomon Islands, and New Zealand. Its capital is in Australia.

China: China is its own power. China must stay in China. China may only purchase infantry and artillery. China may deploy anywhere in China(Northwestern China, Szechwan, Manchuria, and Coastal China). If all four of these are captured by Allies, China gets control of all of them and may build all units (anywhere in China) and may move out of China. The US may give China as many IPCs as it wants; however China may only purchase one unit with US funds per turn. If all China is controlled by Axis, US gets China’s IPCs.

France: France is its own power now. France receives control of France(note that this has been captured) West Africa, Equatorial Africa,and  Madagascar. France is considered an originally controlled territory of France. If France is liberated France assumes control and places one infantry there(this happens each time France is captured). Note that if France is liberated by Alllies and Germany takes it back, Italy will NOT assume control as it is an original French territory.

Anything blunt or unspecified should be corrected. Feel free to ask me abut any rules.

Note that the setup is really three setups in one: the original, the setup pictured on the back of the box, and the units I added. A bit crowded. It plays well but some problems are still here. Please try it out and give me feedback.

Turn order and starting IPCs in hand/ starting income(don’t forget that everything is doubled):
Soviet Union: 14
Italy: 8
Germany: 16
ANZAC: 6
France: 0
United Kingdom: 18
Japan: 18
United States: 32
China: 2

Setup:
Germany:
Germany:6 infantry, 2 mech, 1 fighter, 2 S bombers, major IC
France: 3 infantry, 1 artillery, 1 AAA, 1tank, 1 fighter, 1 T bomber
Norway/Finland: 3 infantry, 1 AAA
Southern Europe: 2 infantry
North Africa: 3 infantry, 1 mech, 1 artillery, 1 tank
Eastern Europe: 5 infantry, 2 artillery, 1 AAA, 3 tanks, 1 fighter, 1 T bomber, 1 S bomber
Ukraine: 3 infantry, 2 tanks, 1 AAA
West Russia: 4 infantry
SZ 5: 1 sub, 1 destroyer, 1 cruiser, 1 battleship
SZ 6: 1 sub
SZ 9: 1 sub
SZ 16: 1 sub, 1 transport, 1 cruiser
SZ 17: 1 transport, 1 destroyer
SZ 18: 1 transport, 1 cruiser

Italy:
Southern Europe: 4 infantry 1 artillery 1 AAA 1 fighter 1 t bomber minor IC control marker
Western Europe: 1 infantry minor IC control marker
North Africa: 2 infantry 1 artillery 1 mech. 1 tank
SZ 17 1 transport 2 destroyers 1 cruiser

Japan:
Japan: 6 infantry 1 artillery 1 mech. 1 AAA 1 tank 1 fighter 1 T bomber 2 S bombers major IC
Iwo Jima: 1 infantry
Okinawa: 1 infantry 1 fighter
Manchuria: 4 infantry
Coastal China: 3 infantry 1 artillery 1 tank 1 fighter
Southeast Asia: 2 infantry 1 artillery
Caroline Islands: 2 infantry
SZ 45: 1 transport 1 destroyer 1 cruiser 2 carriers(carrying 3 fighters and 1 t bomber) 1 battleship
SZ 46: 1 transport 1 destroyer 1 carrier( carrying 1 fighter and 1 t bomber)
SZ 31: 1 destroyer 1 sub
SZ. 38: 1 transport 1 destroyer 2 cruisers 1 carrier(carrying 2 fighters)
SZ 37: 1 sub

Soviet Union:
Russia: 8 infantry, 2 mech., 1 artillery, 1 AAA, 1 tank, 2 fighters 1 T bomber 1 S bomber major IC
Archangel: 4 infantry
Karelia: 3 infantry 1 AAA
Caucasus: 5 infantry, 1 artillery 1 AAA 1 tank minor IC
Urals: 1 infantry 1 tank
Siberia: 5 infantry
SZ 4: 1 sub
SZ 3 1 sub 1 transport
SZ18: 1 transport 1 cruiser

ANZAC:
Australia: 3 infantry 1 artillery 1 AAA 1 fighter minor IC
New Zealand: 1 infantry 1 fighter
New Guinea: 1 infantry
India: 1 infantry
Egypt: 1 infantry 1 artillery
SZ 33: 2 subs 1 transport 1 cruiser

France:
England: 1 infantry 1 fighter
Equatorial Africa:  1 infantry 1 mech. 1 artillery
Egypt: 1 infantry
Middle East: 1 infantry
SZ 25: 1 transport 1 destroyer 1 cruiser

United Kingdom:
England: 2 infantry 1 artillery 1 AAA 1 fighter 1 t bomber 2 s bombers major IC
Eastern Canada: 1 infantry 1 tank
Western Canada :1 infantry
Egypt :2 infantry 1 mech. 1 artillery 1 AAA 2 tanks 1 t bomber
Kenya :1 infantry 1 fighter
Union of South Africa :1 infantry
Middle East : 1 infantry
India : 3 infantry 1 artillery 1 fighter 1 t bomber minor IC
SZ 8: 1 sub 1 cruiser 1 battleship
SZ 10: 2 transports 1 destroyer
SZ 14: 1 carrier (carrying 1 fighter)
SZ 29: 1 transport 1 destroyer 1 cruiser
SZ 30: 1 battleship

United States :
Easter US :6 infantry 2 tanks 1 fighter 1 s bomber major IC
Western US :3 infantry 1 mech. 1 artillery 1 tank 1 s bomber major IC
Alaska : 1 infantry
Hawaii : 2 infantry 1 AAA
Philippines : 2 infantry
Midway : 1 infantry 1 t bomber
Wake: 1 infantry
SZ 11: 1 sub 1 destroyer 1 transport 1 cruiser
SZ 42: 1 sub 1 transport 1 cruiser 1 carrier (carrying 2 fighters)  1 battleship
SZ 40: 1 transport 1 carrier (carrying 1 fighter and 1 t bomber) 1 battleship

China:
Northwestern China: 2 infantry
Szechwan: 3 infantry 1 artillery 1 fighter

So this is what I tried in place of bids.
Each power,in the same order as play so Germany 1st France last,gets to relocate 1 starting unit (with the exception of ICs and capital ships)to a place only where they already have another starting unit.
  For example:Russia can start a tank in amur instead of moscow.
                    Germany starts  cruiser in sz113.
                  Italy moves dd from sz96 to 97
                    Us puts a 2nd fig in Phillipines
I think its gives allies a better chance b/c they start with more units out of position and they would ,for the most part, make their choices after axis.

@CWO:

One low-cost way for you to experiment with this concept to see if it works, and to then help you decide if you should invest more money in the way you described to give each nation  its own special HBG unit, would  be to:

Pick up a copy of A&A 1941

Extract from it the unique sculpts that represent weapons which were actually used by the nations which produced them, and ignore the ones which are “national mismatches” (American IS-2 tanks, and so forth)

Designate them as special units and create (or find) house rules to govern them

To give some examples:

The tank sculpts in 1941 represent German Tiger and Russian IS-2 tanks, both of which were heavy tanks.  Those two nations would therefore have the ability to build heavy tank units.

The battleship sculpts in 1941 represent the British Hood class and the Japanese Kongo class, bot of which were battlecruisers.  Those two nations would therefore have the ability to build battlecruisers.

The other units aren’t as clear-cut as examples, but you could use a similar technique.  The American Sumner-class destroyer could be used to represent destroyer escorts (which, I admit, they weren’t).  The British  Lancaster could be used to represent a bomber with a super-heavy lift capacity, the Lanc being the only Allied bomber which was long enough and powerful enough to carry the Grand Slam super-heavy bomb.  And so forth.  The point is that one single copy of this game, which is fairly inexpensive, would give you lots of unit types with which to test your concept.

Interestingly enough, I actually had a new 1941 at one time (I got it as a Christmas Present), but returned it for the very reason that each nation didn’t have unique sculpts. I grabbed the Seafarers expansion for Catan instead.

But thanks for the idea.

Never mind guys, I found it.

If we’re going to continue talking about modern special forces, also list Space Marines, and look up Operation Hot Eagle

Legit.

oooo I like the options the germans get with swapping the bat for an acc.

That’s got to come in handy!

Ya I agree. You still need the T-34’s.